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To: metmom; narses; Jvette
That's not even remotely suggested in a careful reading of that passage.

That's simply not true, Metmom, and you know it. The passage does not limit the topics for prayer at all. And, if in their prayer, a couple prays about God's will for their family, then how is that unfaithful or unscriptural.

You are simply trying to limit someone's prayer when the scripture puts no limit on what they might be praying for.

And, the bottom line: the scripture DOES commend periods of celibacy between husbands and wives.

You have abdicated the argument with your inability to find scripture defending condom use. I have not found a scripture that says "natural family planning", but the concept of periods of prayerful celibacy was defended scripturally. You, on the other hand, have not defended your position that humans determine who should be born and when.

And as a lifelong advocate of the 2d amendment, your effort to say the bible does not support self-defense if it's with a gun is obviously in error. The concept of self-defense is throughout the bible.

79 posted on 12/14/2013 1:33:17 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins; metmom; Jvette; trisham

So here is the deal, xzins - a respected Protestant Pastor lays out the rational case for the position that Christian thought has held and defended for two thousand years. metmom instead tries to argue that he, history and the Catholic Church are wrong and that he/she is right.

Boy, tough call. But I am going with what the Church teaches here. It is consistent with Scripture, with Holy Tradition, Natural Law and even simply reason.

And I will echo trisham in wishing all here - even the heretics who think such wishes and celebrations are pagan, a very Blessed Advent, a truly Holy and Merry Christmas and a healthy and Prosperous New Year.


80 posted on 12/14/2013 1:42:24 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: xzins; metmom; narses; Jvette; boatbums
>>That's simply not true, Metmom, and you know it.<<

Are you clairvoyant, read minds, or know what metmom knows somehow?

>>You have abdicated the argument with your inability to find scripture defending condom use.<

Wait,,,,,,,What?????? You demand proof from scripture for the use of a condom but don’t need it for the assumption of Mary?????????? And then deny that Catholics are hypocrites?? Oy vey!!!!

108 posted on 12/14/2013 3:47:35 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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