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To: StormPrepper; Colofornian
No, it's the same Jesus, you just don't really know anything about Him. Half of what you think you know about Him are fairy tales.

Luke 13: 32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

Jesus' own words. He had things He had to do before He would be perfect.

That is one of the problems right there! Jesus was talking about Herod, of whom the Pharisees were warning Jesus to flee Jerusalem because Herod was going to kill him. Jesus said to them:

At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.”

He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’ In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!

So, rather than Jesus saying he had more things to do to "be perfect", he was talking about completing his task, reaching his goal, finish his work, He said he would finish my course, attain completion. Jesus, because He was Almighty God incarnate, was ALREADY sinless, he needed NOTHING in order to be made perfect.

Jesus worked out His own salvation and in so doing He became perfect. But He wasn't born perfect. The choice was His to make.

This is where you prove to not know anything about Jesus and what you think you know about him are fairy tales/made-up Joseph Smith invented fairy tales. Stick to the Bible, the word of God, and you will come to the knowledge of the truth.

114 posted on 12/02/2013 11:42:55 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
[boatbums]He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’

[boatbums]So, rather than Jesus saying he had more things to do to "be perfect..."

Sure it does, if you conveniently change the words... How many new "Bibles" have Evangelicals put out now that change the wording to be more "convenient"?

I noticed that you didn't respond to the other scriptures I posted. Was that a bit too inconvenient?

[boatbums]Jesus, because He was Almighty God incarnate, was ALREADY sinless, he needed NOTHING in order to be made perfect.

Luke 2:52
52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.


Jesus increased in wisdom and increased in favor with God. How does the fact that He had to increase in favor with God figure into your understanding? The problem you're having is one of understanding the time line of events and the nature of God.

When Jesus was born on the earth He descended below all things. He had to do this in order to raise above all things, to be the greatest of all. He started from -0- and worked His way up basically. This what Luke 2 is conveying.

If you put the Book of Mormon with the Bible, you would know why Jesus had to have been born when He was and where He was. Also, why He didn't perform miracles in front of the Romans.

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


Jesus doesn't say "Be ye perfect even as I", because He was not considered "Perfected". His life was a perfect example to this point, but He hadn't endured till the end and He hadn't finished His work. There is a difference between "perfected" and "perfect".

Once He had completed His work and was resurrected, then He was perfected and is Almighty God, equal with His Father in all things.


123 posted on 12/03/2013 6:13:55 AM PST by StormPrepper
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