Posted on 11/24/2013 10:16:03 AM PST by Salvation
Welcome home, sorry to hear of your experience with your former churchies. Pray for them, they might come and join us if you do :)
“Stands to reason Martin Luther was far deeper in Catholic history than Newman”
Maybe the dumbest comment of the year. Luther NEVER INTENDED to break up the Catholic Church. His whacked-out follower did that deed.
I'm more interested in what God says than what Billy Graham thinks...
We must pray for the unity of all to Christ, as Christian believers.
I don't know if Billy Graham did that or not...You guys are so adept at creating your own scripture that you may have invented this as well...
Billy wrote in the Daily Oklahoman (Sept. 26, 1978, p. 8),
Baptism does not save us.
He wrote in The Birmingham News (Apr. 26, 1978, p. 78),
It is only God's grace that saves us.
Oh really??? It's not quite as dumb as the one Newman proclaimed and you repeat...Luther was so steeped in Catholic history that he became Protestant...It was Newman's version of Catholic history that Luther protested...
"IF" you said? LOL! What do you think my POINT is?
What could POSSIBLY be a more "negative adjective" than denying someone their own relationship with God? You think that just be cause you smile and use comfy control terminology, and use soft inclusionary words, it somehow changes your meaning? If anything, it's even more insidious. At least acknowledge your own techniques - or does it go so far as to include denying the act while acting it out?
But it's okay, I understand. Buddhadharma is inherently in everyone, and expressing itself in you in its own way. As you grow, you too will learn to embrace your own understanding of the eightfold path. It is inevitable, because it is the inescapable truth of your own nature. As you mature, external worship will naturally fall away as you go deeper into meditation, and learn to contemplate the clear light and the sounds of the inner realms as they rise and fall in your consciousness. Fear over admitting this inevitability is part of the path, and you should strive on to embrace your own true nature. After awhile, your fascination with lesser understandings and clingings to ritual religion will be seen as the juvenile and frightened graspings that they really are, and you will discard them with the laughter of maturity. Then you will accept that you always were a Buddhist, because you will find the courage to accept that the Buddhist path is all there is, all there ever was, and all there ever can be. So don't worry, I understand you still need time to face the eternal truth.
There, see? Comfy words that say your life is not your life because I know what your life with God really is, rather than what you think it is, and I will tell you what you are so you don't have to worry your little head about it.
I agree. That's why I reject being told by a Catholic that my faith in Christ is so inedequate that it is going to lead me to hell, simply because it is not identical to the teachings of the Catholic Church. Oh, and if you're Catholic, that's what you believe, to, right? And if you're Protestant, you DO understand that that is what Catholic teachings are about you, too, right? So WHO is "attacking" here, and who is refusing to remain silent while attacked? And for that matter, why would you remonstrate with the one who is being attacked, rather than the attacker? I accept Catholics and Protestants as Christians equal in the sight of God - do you? Both of them, equally? Because if you don't maybe you should ask your question to yourself.
Of course baptism does not save us, but it’s a start. By the way Billy Graham is despised by many protestants because they think he’s too chummy with Catholics.
There is no relationship with Jesus Christ for those that belittle and mock his Pilgrim Church on Earth and call it all sorts of vile names. There is salvation outside the Church for those who through not fault of their own do not know Jesus Christ.
(I just learned those words and am taking them for a test drive.)
"Catholic" has a Sacramental sense (if you're baptized in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit;) an ecclesial sense (if you're a subject of the Bishop of Rome); a demographic sense (if you're registered as a member of a parish); a participatory sense (if you're in a State of Grace and living the sacramental life); a cultural sense (if you're named Stacziu Przybyszewski), etc.
I'll admit it can be perplexing. There's a sense in which you're Catholic, Gamecock, and so are you, metmom, and always will be. Perplexing indeed!
There was nothing sarcastic about MY comment, nor did it say anything about any church ... just ... 'church'
"I needed Christ and salvation ... not church."
Have you ever listened to a Baptist preacher ?
I should stop trying /s/ type messages. I am not very good at it anyway.
However,, I hope you have a very blessed Thanksgiving --- you and the ones you love.
“Aristotle Onasis was not a Catholic. No “doctrine” was changed for Jackie Kennedy. Her husband died, she was free to marry the man in the moon if she felt like it.”
Totally UNTRUE!
Jackie was allowed to receive the Sacraments after marrying a divorced man. That is A CHANGE in DOCTRINE if there ever was one.
You seem to spin the (obvious) Hypocrisy of the Catholic Church so as to dictate your untruths. In Fact; I’m not surprised, and that is why I would never ever return to that Church - ever. I won’t bandy words with people that don’t face the Truth.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving.
Listen to any CD by Scott Hahn, (A former, viruently anti-Catholic Bible Christian scholar, turned Catholic convert scholar) and you may change your mind sooner than you think:
+ Why do we have a Pope? is a good one
+ Fatherhood at its Best
Either one is worth an hour of your time.
http://www.lighthousecatholicmedia.com/store/refer/3905
The Church is a Hospital for Sinners, not a refuge for Saints. Child molestation is deplorable and indefensible in any context. However the behavior of a very few priests does in no way diminish the ministry of the Church in the world.
the things that impressed Priests and your average Catholic seemed small, petty, and dead to me.
For something that seems small, petty, and dead, it sure seems like you are having a hard time letting go. Could it be that your obsession with debunking all things Catholic is the result of an inner struggle that you are having with your spirituality?
Obviously, you are only projecting your own insecurities on me. I treat Papists no differently from other infidels, such as Mormons or JWs. There is no special treatment one group recieves from me over another.
Okay then, IF someone knows knows of Jesus Christ AND misunderstands/cannot accept/rejects him, THEN they go to hell.
But.
IF someone does NOT know Jesus Christ, and NEVER heard of Jesus Christ, they are saved.
So, statistically speaking, wouldn't it have been safer for everyones souls if Jesus never came? That way everyone would be saved, instead of some being in danger of being lost.
Can't argue with the math.
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