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To: daniel1212; smvoice; redleghunter; Iscool; metmom
>>Paul actually only uses the term "my gospel" thrice, (Rm. 2:16; 16:25; 2Tim. 2:8) but perhaps that counts as "several," yet he also thrice refers to it as "our gospel," (2Cor. 4:3; 1Ths. 1:5; 2Ths. 2:14)<<

We need to be very careful when discussing issues like this. I always step back and pray and study when something just doesn’t seem to match. That is exactly what I did after reading your paragraph above. You have used those verses to attempt to contradict what smvoice has said. But let’s look at those verses more closely to make sure that we have diligently “searched the scripture” to find truth.

You claim that Paul uses “my gospel” in the first three verses but then uses “our” gospel in the other three verses you cite. That does seem to be a contradiction doesn’t it. So I went to the original Greek text in an attempt to “search the scripture” to see what the truth of the matter might be.

In your first three examples the Greek word is the first-person pronoun meaning my or mine. In the next three examples you cited the Greek word use is the first-person pronoun meaning my or mine exactly as it was in the first three examples you cited. In the original Greek text there is no differentiation between the first three verses you cited or the second three verses you cited.

Paul, in all three verses is saying the same thing. He is using the first person pronoun of my or mine.

It’s very dangerous to become haughty or attempt to project an attitude of superiority in discussions like this. Especially if it leads to attempts to “put down” or “denigrate” the persons views we are having a difference of opinion with.

I believe we are all brothers and sisters in Christ here so let’s have respect and “search the scriptures” diligently in an attempt to understand “if what they teach” is true.

In the above example we can see that using the English translation alone may not be in and of itself the best way to “search the scriptures” and using an attitude of superiority or haughtiness from that perspective does not foster oneness in Christ.

253 posted on 11/26/2013 5:51:10 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Thank you for your measured response.

Regardless of “mine” “my” or “our” the scriptural evidence is there are not two gospels preached but one.


254 posted on 11/26/2013 6:07:09 AM PST by redleghunter
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To: CynicalBear; smvoice; redleghunter; Iscool; metmom
In your first three examples the Greek word is the first-person pronoun meaning my or mine. In the next three examples you cited the Greek word use is the first-person pronoun meaning my or mine exactly as it was in the first three examples you cited. In the original Greek text there is no differentiation between the first three verses you cited or the second three verses you cited.

You must have different MSS than the KJV

G3450, mou moo; The simpler from of G1700; of me: - I, me, mine (own), my. (Strongs)

In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to myG3450 gospel. (Romans 2:16)

Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to myG3450 gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, (Romans 16:25)

Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to myG3450 gospel: (2 Timothy 2:8)

G2257 hēmōn - hēmōn hay-mone' Genitive plural of G1473; of (or from) us: - our (company), us, we. (Strongs)

But if ourG2257 gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: (2 Corinthians 4:3)

For ourG2257 gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake. (1 Thessalonians 1:5)

Whereunto he called you by ourG2257 gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. (2 Thessalonians 2:14)

The KJV translates Strongs G2257 in the following manner: our (313x), us (82x), we (12x), not tr (1x), misc (2x).

Mat_1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.G2257 Mat_6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: OurG2257 Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Mat_6:11 Give us this day ourG2257 daily bread. Mat_6:12 And forgive us ourG2257 debts, as we forgive ourG2257 debtors. Mat_8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took ourG2257 infirmities, and bare our sicknesses. Mat_15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.G2257 Mat_20:33 They say unto him, Lord, that ourG2257 eyes may be opened. Mat_21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in ourG2257 eyes? Mat_23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of ourG2257 fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Mat_25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for ourG2257 lamps are gone out. Mat_27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on ourG2257 children. Mat_28:13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while weG2257 slept. Mar_11:10 Blessed be the kingdom of ourG2257 father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest. Mar_12:7 But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.G2257 Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord ourG2257 God is one Lord: Luk_1:55 As he spake to ourG2257 fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever. Luk_1:71 That we should be saved from ourG2257 enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; Luk_1:72 To perform the mercy promised to ourG2257 fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; Luk_1:73 The oath which he sware to ourG2257 father Abraham, Luk_1:74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of ourG2257 enemies might serve him without fear, Luk_1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of ourG2257 life. Etc.

I believe we are all brothers and sisters in Christ here

"We" as evangelicals trusting the Lord Jesus to save us by His blood, and so follow Him, and repent when we know we are not.

so let’s have respect and “search the scriptures” diligently in an attempt to understand “if what they teach” is true.

Indeed, that should be our goal by both sides.

257 posted on 11/26/2013 8:44:18 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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