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To: daniel1212
First of all, 1 Cor. 6:2 says NOTHING of Paul seated on an earthly throne in the earthly Messianic Kingdom with the 12 and Christ, judging the earthly twelve tribes of Israel, as Matt. 19:27-30 talks about Peter and the 11, NOT anyone else. There are 12 thrones there plus Christ's. Don't attempt to stretch Scripture to fit your thinking. Your thinking needs to conform with Scripture, not the other way around. As far as Rev. 3:21, we are ALREADY seated with Christ in heavenly places. If we are already seated with Him, how do we get re-seated with Him? And BTW: "to him that overcometh"?? Do you honestly believe that is meant to the Body of Christ, this Body formed by the grace of God, in this dispensation of the grace of God? If you do, it's worse than I thought. If we must overcome something, then we are not secure in the finished work of Christ. And that opens a whole other subject, Daniel.

2 Tim. 2:15 is your friend.

245 posted on 11/25/2013 5:51:23 PM PST by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: smvoice
First of all, 1 Cor. 6:2 says NOTHING of Paul seated on an earthly throne in the earthly Messianic Kingdom with the 12 and Christ, judging the earthly twelve tribes of Israel, as Matt. 19:27-30 talks about Peter and the 11, NOT anyone else.

But 1 Cor. 6:2 states we, which must include Paul, shall judge angels, thus establishing judgment is not left to simply the 12, while Matt. 19:27-30 says "ye which have followed me," forsaking all, shall also sit upon twelve thrones, and it is clear more than one person can occupy a throne, which represents judgment as regards the 12.

However, i do see this as most likely referring to 12 thrones for the 12 foundational apostles, but nothing more is said of this except that "I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them." (Revelation 20:4)

And this is for the final judgment, just as believers will judge angels, though in the millennium all the elect shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6)

This can be seen as inferring the apostles will sit in rule over Israel in the millennium reign of Christ (and which reality is one of the many things we concur on), but once again you are resorting making what can be inferred into something definite, including that Paul cannot be one of the judges, in order to make Peter and co. preach a different gospel than Paul's, but which is simply not what the totality of the NT reveals. And the former premise (which i can allow) does not equate to the latter conclusion.

Now may you have another God night! Now

251 posted on 11/25/2013 8:30:16 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: smvoice
"If we must overcome something, then we are not secure in the finished work of Christ. And that opens a whole other subject, Daniel."

"Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" (1 John 5:5)

Being secure in Christ IS overcoming.

Great discussion FRiends.May His Spirit reign in it!

252 posted on 11/25/2013 8:58:35 PM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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