Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: daniel1212; CynicalBear
[CynicalBear:] In the Old Testament the Israelites did not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as we do today. That indwelling didn’t happen until after Christ ascended. The Holy Spirit did speak to them.

That is commonly taught, but incorrect except in the general sense that that the Holy Spirit was not poured out upon all believers.

TRUE, but while the 'outpouring' of Pentecost is a significant event, I would strengthen the emphasis of your statement: The Ruach Ha'Kodesh was not unknown prior to Pentecost. As a simple example, one cannot read the Psalms without a sure knowledge that David was Born Again. His intimate knowledge of the indwelling Spirit can only come from experience. He knew.

What is significant in the message of Pentecost is not the indwelling per se, but rather, what that indwelling permitted: The focus on the internal Temple - One often fails to see the Spring Feasts as a block of events, but the initiation at Passover is culminated in Pentecost... The fulfillment of the whole series is what creates the provision for the internal Temple in each Man... That is not to say that the internal Temple has not always been (because i think, it has always been the point), but that the potential thereof is finally realized in Messiah.

The last indication i see of souls being saved in the Trib. before the end is,

While it is ALWAYS dangerous to predict prophecy, I would submit that there is much more evidence than that - There are survivors who come through the tribulation out of all the nations... If it is true that Yeshua has conquered, and all His enemies are dust under His feet, then those surviving must be inferred to be at least 'not' his enemies... And the trees along the Jordan are for the 'healing of the nations' - One assumes those in Messiah are already healed perfectly, so what then is the need for this other thing, unless there are others? That those in Messiah are priests and kings, and will rule with him, suggests others - what is a priest except one who intercedes, and what is a king except one who reigns? Both infer 'others' which require ministrations.

Furthermore, there are generations in the millennium - suggesting births - Now, I am not one who believes that there are no more births to those in Messiah, but standard Christian belief would only allow those generations birthed to someone else, ergo, others...

After that all i see impenitence till the end when God grants repentance to Israel, that is the remnant of what is left .

I would submit that your statement is the residue of replacement theology - That Messiah would let Jerusalem (which he has carved on His Hands) go through the wrath of YHWH is simply an unconscionable position, which should be corrected. I think the very thing that causes the Jews to build the 3rd Temple will be the very same event which causes their conversion, and sends forth the 1440000 of each tribe... My bet is on the Magog war, but it is hard telling till it happens. The remnant left in Israel after the rapture will be like the remnant left everywhere at that time - unbelievers who will come to belief (and probably die) during the wrath portion.

[...](no Sammy Davis excuse)[....]

Ha! Don't look now, but you are dating yourself... ; )

And then with the devil bound (no Sammy Davis excuse) God will test them as a nation in the millennium, in which both Israel and other nations will be under the theocracy of Christ, who rules with a rod of iron while gently leading his flock with you, the with its Temple and sacrifices Ezekiel describes, which themselves are not expiatory, but could be like the Lord's Supper today.

Ezekiel's Temple is a study, isn't it? Judaism admits it's very function is different from the functions and sacrifices of Temple Judaism, yet it represents a conundrum to Christendom, because it blatantly predicts sacrifices... blood sacrifices even, which seems to be just alright with the Prince, who inhabits the Temple and takes His breakfast in the East Gate thereof. That riddle, which neither the Jew nor the Christian can swallow, might be a pointer in and of itself...

And in passing, it is important to note that the 'rod of iron' suggests 'justice' in the Hebrew sense... quite different than the 'force' suggested by the term in the nations that surround her.

136 posted on 11/24/2013 11:54:35 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 132 | View Replies ]


To: roamer_1; daniel1212
>>As a simple example, one cannot read the Psalms without a sure knowledge that David was Born Again. His intimate knowledge of the indwelling Spirit can only come from experience. He knew.<<

Speculation at best. Would you say then that the Holy Spirit was removed when Jesus was born to be reintroduced after He ascended? Surely not.

>>If it is true that Yeshua has conquered, and all His enemies are dust under His feet, then those surviving must be inferred to be at least 'not' his enemies...<<

All his enemies are not “put under his feet” until His kingdom is set up on this earth at the beginning of the millennium after the last battle at Armageddon.

The rest of your post shows a clear misunderstanding of the seven year tribulation and the purpose for it.

144 posted on 11/24/2013 12:56:07 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 136 | View Replies ]

To: roamer_1; daniel1212
Ezekiel's Temple is a study, isn't it? Judaism admits it's very function is different from the functions and sacrifices of Temple Judaism, yet it represents a conundrum to Christendom, because it blatantly predicts sacrifices... blood sacrifices even, which seems to be just alright with the Prince, who inhabits the Temple and takes His breakfast in the East Gate thereof. That riddle, which neither the Jew nor the Christian can swallow, might be a pointer in and of itself...

The above...one of the reasons many dismiss dispensationalism for replacement theology. The dispensational theologians do well (and I believe are accurate) then they come to the above portion and the "splain'in" begins or is glossed over. That's fine, because we have what is revealed and the "mission execution" is done by Jesus (Yeshua) and we should realize that fact:)

I think what we of this age need to remember is our charter. To watch and be ready and be found worthy when He comes for us. That is VERY clear in all the epistles and I might add was a MAJOR emphasis by Yeshua (Jesus).

148 posted on 11/24/2013 1:11:15 PM PST by redleghunter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 136 | View Replies ]

To: roamer_1
Ezekiel's Temple is a study, isn't it? Judaism admits it's very function is different from the functions and sacrifices of Temple Judaism, yet it represents a conundrum to Christendom, because it blatantly predicts sacrifices... blood sacrifices even, which seems to be just alright with the Prince, who inhabits the Temple and takes His breakfast in the East Gate thereof. That riddle, which neither the Jew nor the Christian can swallow, might be a pointer in and of itself...

i see is likely as a memorial, but not as if i have to be definite on its meaning,

173 posted on 11/24/2013 3:28:59 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 136 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson