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Is the Eucharist Truly Jesus' Body and Blood?
Catholic Answers ^ | June 30, 2013 | Tim Staples

Posted on 11/18/2013 3:07:47 PM PST by NYer

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To: papertyger

“And second, because I learned long ago not to engage in a debate with someone unable to recognize when they’ve lost.”


LOL, there’s the ticket! Come in and declare victory without even attempting it. Where were you when the Pedophile Priests were being prosecuted in court? You could have talked the Judge into dropping all charges within 20 seconds flat!


61 posted on 11/18/2013 4:48:38 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: papertyger
If you are prepared to refute a scholar on the level of DA Carson, you must also be a recognized scholar. Let us examine the review of your peers.

I am not a Calvinist.

There is noel in tulip

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
62 posted on 11/18/2013 4:56:09 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: NCLaw441

“We Protestants have a different faith than you Catholics. One cannot simply decide to change his faith”

Me and Jesus got a good think going, we don’t need no stinkin’ church to tell us what’s all about.


63 posted on 11/18/2013 4:57:10 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NYer

Answer: No.

Next question.


64 posted on 11/18/2013 4:58:28 PM PST by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: GeronL

You just don’t know when to stop digging, do you?


65 posted on 11/18/2013 5:00:28 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
"Paper tiger is a literal English translation of the Chinese phrase zhǐlǎohǔ (simplified Chinese: 纸老虎; traditional Chinese: 紙老虎), meaning something that seems as threatening as a tiger, but does not withstand challenge." ...

... The phrase also appears in Bill Waterson's comic strip Calvin and Hobbes,[6] in which Calvin inquires of Hobbes what the meaning of the phrase is. Hobbes responds that a "paper tiger" is like a "paper boy", that is, a tiger that delivers newspapers. -Wiki

You are quite obviously arguing with an unarmed participant!

66 posted on 11/18/2013 5:01:44 PM PST by WVKayaker ("Because nothing says "rugged individualism" like heavy-handed big government.../sarc" -Sarah Palin)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
More important than your blasphemous sentiments though is what the scripture says, and it is quite with me, even if you yourself cannot understand it. 1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

So am I right or not Puny? Why won't you answer a simple question? Does your god blind people or help them see? Which is it? It makes a big difference. Did your god blind me and all the other Catholics on purpose so he could watch us burn in hell for all eternity just for the fun of it? If that's the case do you really want to be with that kind of god for all eternity watching us all burn. Does the prospect of that give you joy? If your god blinded me, why do you think you can help me and other Catholics see? Are you more powerful than your own god? Wouldn't your efforts to undo his will get him angry at you? Why do you try so hard? Maybe your god told you there is no hell, in that case what difference does it make?

I guess you are right I am not just blasphemous to the puny gospel but I am a fool as well, Ahh but then I already knew that. What is the puny punishment for my insolence oh great after dark one?

67 posted on 11/18/2013 5:11:39 PM PST by infool7 (The ugly truth is just a big lie.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
I don’t think one little Carson can stand tall against such a martial array!

You obviously don't know who he is, and as such are similarly ignorant of the flaws with the "obvious in the original language" canard.

Further, if such august fathers felt as you present, please give the Church's official rationale for ignoring them as you must surely have done that research also.

68 posted on 11/18/2013 5:14:51 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: infool7; Greetings_Puny_Humans
Every time you are given the gospel of the grace of God, it is to help you see. If you reject it for works of righteousness, you blind yourself to the truth. Our job is NOT to corral you and drag you to salvation. Our job is to preach the reconciliation that God has offered every man purely on the finished work of Christ. Not in a church, or a religious institution, or a baptism, or a eucharist, or a beatitude, or anything else that adds to the finished work of Christ on your behalf. But know one thing, to add a single work to Christ's work is to be a debtor to the whole law.

Do you even know what the gospel is? You should. Since God has said, in Romans 2:16 "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel." That was Paul writing through inspiration of the Holy Spirit. So there is a gospel you WILL be judged by. And Paul calls it "my gospel". Don't you think you should at least spend a little time trying to find out what it is?

God has blinded no one during this time of grace. But be warned, there IS coming a time: "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie." (2 Thess. 2:11). WHY WOULD HE DO THIS?

"And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received NOT the LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved." (2 Thess. 2:10). And what is the LOVE OF THE TRUTH? THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD. Paul calls it "my gospel".

69 posted on 11/18/2013 5:28:45 PM PST by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: WVKayaker
...meaning something that seems as threatening as a tiger, but does not withstand challenge."

Oh, the challenge is there, but my ego does not require me to spoon feed him an understanding of his problem.

Suffice to say the whole "big rock, little stone" nonsense comes from a desire to validate an unbiblical doctrine combined with an ignorance of Greek grammar.

70 posted on 11/18/2013 5:39:44 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: smvoice
Our job is to preach the reconciliation that God has offered every man purely on the finished work of Christ. Not in a church, or a religious institution, or a baptism, or a eucharist, or a beatitude, or anything else that adds to the finished work of Christ on your behalf.

And if you were wrong, how could one prove it to you?

71 posted on 11/18/2013 5:48:44 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: papertyger

If I was wrong, then God’s Word would have to be wrong. How do you know if you’re wrong? Your doctrines are presented to you by fallible men, dressed up as infallible, receiving revelations from God, or so they say. But where do you go to confirm that what they say is from God?


72 posted on 11/18/2013 5:58:44 PM PST by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: NYer

Scriptural harmony is key to understanding.

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” Jn 6:63

Paul to the born again (saints) at the church in Rome: “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be the Spirit of Christ dwell in you...”. Rom. 8:9

“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever.......AT THAT DAY ye shall KNOW that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I IN YOU.” Jn 14:16-20

Holy Ghost baptism. THAT is when you REALLY have Christ in you (”the hope of glory”).


73 posted on 11/18/2013 6:00:53 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: GeronL
If you are literally drinking blood and eating flesh, I think the health authorities should know about it.

What is "literally drinking blood and eating flesh" mean? How is such an act "literal," and what would it's "literalness" convey and mean as opposed to some idea of non-literalness?

74 posted on 11/18/2013 6:00:55 PM PST by cothrige
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To: NYer

Can we get Food network give the Pope his own cooking show LOL!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/10457468/Pope-Francis-He-always-cooked-fantastic-paella.html


75 posted on 11/18/2013 6:03:16 PM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: smvoice

So you are saying your doctrines are exclusively biblical?

Tell me what verses explain “God’s Word” refers to either Jesus himself, or a written book.


76 posted on 11/18/2013 6:07:47 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: papertyger; smvoice; Greetings_Puny_Humans
Suffice to say the whole "big rock, little stone" nonsense comes from a desire to validate an unbiblical doctrine combined with an ignorance of Greek grammar.

hahahahahahaaaa

As a student of Greek AND Hebrew, I can tell you have a lot to learn. But, I won't waste my time. I have the Holy Spirit to guide me, and you have your precious church. I have to claim to scholarship and need none. Please note in the Scripture below that Paul says to follow APOSTLES, not just one...

You chose an apt screen name, PT!

Ephesians 2: 1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

77 posted on 11/18/2013 6:10:18 PM PST by WVKayaker ("Because nothing says "rugged individualism" like heavy-handed big government.../sarc" -Sarah Palin)
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To: NYer

Mr. STAPLES....hmmm....When he finished writing this did he say, “That was easy!”?? LOL

**In my 2011 debate with Dr. Peter Barnes, a Presbyterian minister and apologist in Australia,..**

Seriously, when the blind lead/(debate) the blind, both fall in the ditch.


78 posted on 11/18/2013 6:11:06 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: papertyger

You didn’t answer my questions. And yes, God has given us everything we need to be reconciled to Him, preach that reconciliation to others, reprove, rebuke, and exhort with doctrine He has clearly laid out. So that we may be approved as His workmen, and never be ashamed as we stand before Him. Is there a problem with this?


79 posted on 11/18/2013 6:12:19 PM PST by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: Mr. K
Christian cannibals.....gotta love it......puke
80 posted on 11/18/2013 6:15:35 PM PST by stboz
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