“Do not be fooled by false messiahs”

Vatican Insider ^ | November 17, 2013 | DOMENICO AGASSO JR

[haffast]

There is no such thing as idolatry of Mary. Where do you get this unfortunate information? Maybe a pamphlet? Maybe a preacher who hates Catholics?

What a tired canard you always pull out to smear the messenger. Where are your pamphlets where "Pope" Peter states the four dogmas of Mary?

Mary Mother of God, Queen of Heaven, Co-redemptrix with Jesus, Mother of the Church, Mother of your faith, when you pop out of the Easy-Bake Purgatory oven on the other side it is Mary who leads you to Jesus. You make much of Mary, especially Pope Francis. And all you do is ask Mary to pray for you?

We ask Mary to pray for us.

Have you ever asked anyone to pray for you?

Yes. The Holy Spirit, or "Helper", Jesus sent into my heart. He , being God, makes appeals to God on my behalf above and beyond any created being, such as Mary, can make. God "overshadows" Mary once again.

Do you remember Mary’s last words in the Bible at the Wedding of Cana? “Do whatever he tells you.” She always defers and gives credit to her Son, Jesus.

Then why don't you follow her directions? Instead, you and the Holy Roman Catholic Church make much of the flesh (Saint of the Day), taking away Glory from the Spirit which moves the flesh. Worship God!

[WVKayaker]

There is no such thing as idolatry of Mary.

Hahahahahaaaa.

Indoctrination: ...Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology (see doctrine). It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned. As such the term may be used pejoratively, often in the context of education, political opinions, theology or religious dogma.

Idolatry: ... Behaviour considered idolatrous or potentially idolatrous may include the creation of any type of image of the deity, or of other figures of religious significance such as prophets, saints, and clergy, the creation of images of any person or animal at all, and the use of religious symbols, or secular ones. ...wiki

[Salvation]

We ask Mary to pray for us.

How many times must we tell you?

Why do you cling to these untruths?

[WVKayaker]

Why do you cling to these untruths?

You allege facts not in evidence. You are calling me (us) a liar, when there is NO SCRIPTURAL justification for the idolatrous actions of which you are a willing participant, nay a promoter. Just because your cult wishes to pray to dead people, does not make it a Scriptural truth. Jesus, through His Holy Sprit is the ONLY intercessor with access to God's ear.

I see you repeat the same catechism verbiage, but never see a quote from the Bible. Yet, when we show them, you come back with... "but the church says". Below is a better answer...

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Question: "Is praying the rosary Scriptural?"

Answer: While much of what the prayer of the rosary contains is scriptural, the whole second half of the “Hail Mary” and portions of the “Hail, Holy Queen” are blatantly unbiblical. While the first part of the Hail Mary is almost a direct quotation from Luke 1:28, there is no scriptural basis for (1) praying to Mary now, (2) addressing her as “holy” Mary, or (3) calling her “our life” and “our hope.”

Is it right to call Mary “holy,” by which the Catholic Church means that Mary never sinned nor had any taint of original sin? The believers in the Bible were called “saints,” which can be interpreted as “set-apart ones” or “holy ones,” but the understanding of Scripture is that the righteousness that believers in Christ have is an imparted righteousness from Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21) and that while in this life, they are not yet sanctified from sin in practice (1 John 1:9-2:1).

Jesus is called our Savior repeatedly in Scripture because He saved us from our sin. In Luke 1:47, Mary calls God her “Savior.” Savior from what? A sinless person does not need a Savior. Sinners need a Savior. Mary acknowledged that God was her Savior. Therefore, Mary was acknowledging that she was a sinner. Jesus said that He came to save us from our sins (Matthew 1:21).

The Roman Catholic Church claims that Mary was saved from sin differently from everyone else--that she was saved from sin through the immaculate conception (her being conceived free of sin). But is this teaching scriptural? The Roman Catholic Church openly admits that this teaching is not found in Scripture. When a young man addressed Jesus as “good Master” (Matthew 19:16-17), Jesus asks why he calls Him “good” since there is none good but one, God. Jesus was not denying His own deity, He was trying to make the young man aware that he was using the term too loosely without thinking about whathe was saying. But Jesus’ point is still valid or He would not have said it--there is none good but God. This excludes all but God, including Mary!

This ties in with Romans 3:10-23; Romans 5:12; and countless other passages that stress the fact that in God’s eyes no one measures up. Never is Mary ever excluded from such all-encompassing statements! What of the question of praying to Mary or to anyone else besides God? We are never told in the Bible whether anyone else in heaven can even hear us. We do know that God alone is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-present.

Even the angels, with whatever great abilities they may have, seem to have their limitations and can’t always make it to help us as they might like (Daniel 10:10-14). When Jesus taught His disciples to pray, He gave them what is commonly called the “Our Father.” He teaches us to address our prayer to God. Whenever prayer is addressed to anyone, it is done to God! Never can you find a single example of someone praying to any “saint” or angel or anyone else (besides prayers to false gods). Further, any time that any pious person prostrates himself (in a religious setting) to honor someone else besides God (chiefly to the apostles or angels), he is told to get up, to stop it ( Acts 10:25-26; Acts 14:13-16; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 19:10; Revelation 22:8-9).

The Roman Catholic Church states that it worships God alone but that it “venerates” Mary and the saints. What is the difference? A person praying the rosary spends more time calling out to Mary than to God! For every one praise of God in the rosary, there are 10 praises of Mary!

The Bible states that Jesus is our Redeemer (Galatians 3:13;4:4-5;Titus 2:14;1 Peter 1:18-19;Revelation 5:9). The “Hail, Holy Queen” calls Mary our “most gracious advocate,” but the Bible calls Jesus our Advocate to the Father (1 John 2:1) and our one Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5).

The only time in Scripture that the title “Queen of Heaven” is found it is in a negative way (Jeremiah 7:17-19;44:16-27).

The whole of Scripture teaches us to pray to God alone. Never once can you find an example or admonition to pray to anyone else! The only basis for the idea of getting to God through Mary is the biblical story of Mary coming to Jesus to ask for his help at a wedding feast (John 2). But in light of all of the other verses, including Jesus’ own instruction on how we are to pray, is it taking this passage in context to use it to teach that we ought to continue to go through Mary to get to God?

Likewise, is it appropriate to call Mary our “life” and “hope”? Again, these are terms that are used of God alone in Scripture, particularly God the Son, Jesus Christ (John 1:1-14; Colossians 3:4;1 Timothy 1:1; Ephesians 2:12; Titus 2:13). Thus, the practice of saying the rosary goes contrary to Scripture in a number of ways.

Only God can hear our prayers. Only God can answer our prayers. The Bible nowhere instructs Christians to pray through intermediaries, or to petition saints or Mary (in Heaven) for their prayers.

-Exposing the Idolatry of Mary Worship:Catholic Dogma, Pt. 1, John MacArthur
http://www.gotquestions.org/praying-rosary.html

[Salvation]

The saints add to the glory of God. They are in heaven praising God 24/7.

Even while they were living they put God first. Sorry you don’t understand this.

[BlueDragon]

The saints add to the glory of God. They are in heaven praising God 24/7.

Even while they were living they put God first. Sorry you don’t understand this.

But none of that related [above] necessitates that one should direct prayers to those
individuals, for themselves to "pass it on" -- as if the Eternal Creator was hard of hearing.

That sort of thing, praying to a pantheon of those whom once lived in this realm, and now passed on, is not the communion the Lord spoke about...

John 14

9Jesus saith to him, `So long time am I with you, and thou hast not known me, Philip? he who hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how dost thou say, Shew to us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I [am] in the Father, and the Father is in me? the sayings that I speak to you,

from myself I speak not, and the Father who is abiding in me, Himself doth the works;

11 believe me, that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me; and if not, because of the works themselves, believe me.

12 `Verily, verily, I say to you, he who is believing in me, the works that I do -- that one also shall do, and greater than these he shall do, because I go on to my Father;

13 and whatever ye may ask in my name, I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son;

14 if ye ask anything in my name I will do [it].

15 `If ye love me, my commands keep,

16 and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you -- to the age;

17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.

18 `I will not leave you bereaved, I come unto you;

19 yet a little, and the world doth no more behold me, and ye behold me, because I live, and ye shall live;

20 in that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you;

21 he who is having my commands, and is keeping them, that one it is who is loving me, and he who is loving me shall be loved by my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.'

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John 15

4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit [c]of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. ... ... ...
26 “When the [h]Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, 27[i]and you will testify also, because you have been with Me from the beginning.

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c. John 15:4 Lit from
h. John 15:26 Gr Paracletos, one called alongside to help; or Comforter, Advocate, Intercessor
i. John 15:27 Or (imperative) and bear witness

[haffast]

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http://biblehub.com/john/15-5.htm

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A21-23&version=NIV

How many good works must you emulate to be saved?

Will you be fast tracked through Purgatory, or will you linger a while?

[WVKayaker]

Even while they were living they put God first. Sorry you don’t understand this.

You call him SAINT Paul:

Romans 7: 21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[d] a slave to the law of sin.