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To: daniel1212
Pual does mention a woman Deacon in Romans ch 16 v 1. Phoebe does seem to be much more involved in the actual ministry than Priscilla and Aquila whom in the next couple of verse Paul calls co-workers in his ministry. In general I think men should be the pastor in the church. In smaller churches especially some women have the best ability {Gift} to be music director. However I would not totally exclude women from the ministry even as far as preaching The Gospel especially as Evangelist or missionaries nor for that matter women's who fruits of their labor in their ministry have been GOD called to such.

Case in point Joni Ericson Tada's ministry to the disabled. A very remarkable spirit filled woman who minister to those who have suffered suffered severe disability.

As for attire for church? A person can make a case either way. Who should churches be ministering too? Christ ministered to those the leaders of the Temples and others called outcast because of their economic or health situation.

While I can see it being disrespectfull to walk in every Sunday looking like a drag queen, street walker, cross dresser, Butch, etc I see no disrespect in coming to church in your everyday clothing as long as it isn't a distraction. I have no issue with a woman wearing slacks to church. I have no issue with men who don't wear a suit and tie. Personally I'd wear clean coveralls & my work boots if I wore anything.

I respect The House of The Lord. I also respected, loved, and honored my dad till his last breath on earth. As much love and respect I had I wore coveralls to his funeral and boots. Shoes for me cost in excess of $100 and my prescription insoles have to be inside them. I own one pair of shoes and for ankle support I only wear what most persons call work boots. The old lace ups. I can not tolerate anything near my neck. I either wear bib overalls with a shirt unbuttoned two buttons down or a light pair of coveralls.

My wife? Every place we go she wears sweat pants and a tee shirt. She still looks very much a woman. I'd be the one beside her with a full beard and hair down to my shoulders. She's cute I'm not LOL. Necessity dictates what she can wear.

Our preacher wanted women to wear dresses. For that reason my wife never felt comfortable again in the church although he did understand necessity because she was wearing a night gown when he married us.

The Lord doesn't focus on our outside. His focus is on our hearts inside.

167 posted on 11/14/2013 5:17:38 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe
You are overall protesting what has not been made an issue.

Born-again men and women are both heirs of the grace of life, (1 Peter 3:7) and the church is to harmoniously pray and worship together, (Act 2:14; 4:24) and both will be rewarded according to their own labor. (1Cor. 3:8). Men and women are both given certain spiritual gifts (1Cor. 12), and women can lead women in singing. (Exo. 15:20), and may share what God has revealed, but only in a manner and context which clearly signifies her submission to the male. (see Acts 21:9; 18:24-26; 1Cor. 11:4,5) They can publicly tell others about Christ, (Lk. 2:36-38; Jn. 4:28,29), and support those who work in ministry, (Lk. 8:3; Phil. 4:3). can even help to personally disciple a man, such as in a home, with and under their husband or father. (Acts 18:24-26) Mature Godly women can teach other women, (Titus 2:3-5), and women can also work hard in secular business, (Prov. 31; Acts 16:14) with all propriety, but are never to have authority or rule over men (1Cor. 14:34,35; 1Tim. 2:11-15) except perhaps in instances of extraordinary necessity (Judges 4:1-5).

However, today submission is seen as an unclean thing, yet just as in the Godhead, so in the church and home God has established and upheld positional/functional distinctions between males and females from the beginning:More.

169 posted on 11/14/2013 7:15:46 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: cva66snipe

Pual does mention a woman Deacon in Romans ch 16 v 1.


Romans16
I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

could not find anything about deacon.


171 posted on 11/14/2013 7:34:05 PM PST by ravenwolf
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