Look, I know the difference between the terms used. Lecturing me now, like;
No the difference is between dulia/hyperdulia and latria. That's where many non-Catholics are confused and think we worship Mary and the saints.
though understandable on one level, is insensible as reply to my own pointing out that there is no real difference (theologically speaking) between "dulia" and "veneration", for I was replying to;
The veneration of the Blessed Mother is called hyperdulia, not hyper-veneration.
which results in this sort of insensible back-and-forth to being as time-consuming, as it can be maddening, for the "target" of conversation is shifted ever-so slightly so as to be able to give me a "no" -- which should instead have elicited a "yes" they are much the same, before launching on towards discussion of what "non-Catholics don't understand".
I understand the theology and the apologetic better than most "Catholics". So please --skip the two-bit lectures when addressing myself. It only serves to further irritate. But congratulations! We have now gone far afield from the more central point which I raised.
The "Our Father" instructional given by Christ Himself, does not include addressing prayers to anyone but the Creator, Himself.