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To: Dutchboy88

Okay, I am puzzled here. What are you getting at?


Just trying to understand your posts.

You stated that “...it was the Spirit of God operating on my soul with the words of the text which opened my eyes and rescued me” and “... no anything...just faith granted by the grace of God. Eph. 2. May want to read the real message of salvation, my FRiend.”

Is just reading the message of salvation all we need to do to understand the message? No anything else? Or does the Spirit sometimes use others to deliver His message to us?


192 posted on 11/14/2013 1:46:18 PM PST by rwa265
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To: rwa265
"Is just reading the message of salvation all we need to do to understand the message? No anything else? Or does the Spirit sometimes use others to deliver His message to us?"

The Scriptures plainly tell us that if a person is drawn to Jesus (in reality, not just in an emotional dither), they are drawn by the Holy Spirit. They are born from above. They may have been exposed to hundreds of human inputs (the way I was), or none (the way Paul was). But, none of those human inputs are the effectual work which brings a person to Christ. That is solely the work of God (..."no man comes to the Father unless I draw them...John 6)

In my case, I had heard variations on "Come to Jesus" for many years. I had "gone forward" as a child, and graduated from a Christian University with a degree in Theology. None of it helped...until the words of the Scripture seemed to attack my stubborn heart 15 years later. It rendered me helpless before the Rescuer. If anything, much of the human input I had heard clouded the words of the Scripture the way I see the RCC cloud many friends and acquaintances.

There is no human intermediary who actually causes salvation in another. In Cor. Paul tells us that some plant, some water, but it is God who causes the increase. Does that mean we should not speak to one another about Christ? No. But, I tend to believe Paul...he was one stubborn goat. Yet, Jesus broke his heart and rescued him from himself.

If all of this is to somehow give a kudo to the RCC, then I can plainly tell you that they are NOT delivering the Gospel to their constituents or the world. Just speaking about Christ, saying His name, or writing material about Him DOES NOT NECESSARILY HELP. The RCC is (perhaps unbeknownst to itself) peddling what amounts to a modern-day Judaizer religion, a warmed-over, reincarnation of the Law. In the Scriptures, there are no "priests", except for Jesus the High Priest according to order of Melchizadek (check the letter to the Hebrews). There is no Law, there is no repetition of the sacrifice (His was once for all), there is no intervention, holy water, icons, Sainthood (capital S), no Mary adoration, no anything but Grace granted through Faith...and that not of ourselves, it is a gift, NOT of any work, lest someone boast.

That is the message of Eph. 2, and 90% of Paul's writings. It is the message the RCC cannot face into and will not allow to penetrate its Vatican walls. It stubbornly holds onto ITSELF and its homemade religion. Whatever small role they had garaging the text over the years (and it was small), the Message of Rescue would have gotten to those who are among the elect, NO MATTER WHAT. Does that help you understand my posts?

194 posted on 11/14/2013 2:19:39 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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