Posted on 11/11/2013 3:31:57 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
What a horrifically EXPONENTIAL amazing time is just before us in which the world of today is absolutely oblivious to (1 Thess. 5:2-3). The Day of the Lord is at hand in which the godlessness, lawlessness and violence of man will reach its EXPONENTIAL zenith (2 Thess. 2:2:8-12, Rev. 6-19)! What is amazing is that the very world leaders we see today raging and conspiring against Israel and Almighty God's RIGHTEOUSNESS most likely will be the very ones who will give their power and authority to the upcoming beast (aka- Anti Christ - 2 Thess. 2:3-12, Rev. 13, 17:12-17).
These present day world leaders may also be the very ones who - during the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation period - will seek to destroy Israel and Israel's Divine protectors (the TWO Lamp Stands of Almighty God- Rev. 11:2-6). It will be at the end of Almighty God's Two Witnesses 3 1/2 year ministry that these world leaders will rejoice greatly in their new godless leader's (aka -the Anti Christ) assassination of Almighty God's indestructible Two Witness's temporal demise (Rev. 11:2-7). So VEXED, so TORMENTED, so ENRAGE will this war ravished world and their leaders be at Almighty God's Two Witnesses and their RIGHTEOUS message that when their 3 1/2 year ministry finally comes to and end (Rev. 11:7) the world and its leaders will REJOICE exceedingly and give their FULL allegiance to the risen Beast (Anti Christ) who will now DOMINATE the world stage for the last 3 1/2 years (2 Thess. 2:8-12, Rev. 11:7-14, Rev. 13, Rev. 17:13-17).
The "SUPER NATURAL" of this seven year period will be as common as the "non-super natural" of our day. MOSES and ELIJAH (the Two Witnesses) will zealously protect Israel, EVEN in Israel's unbelieving state (Ezek. 39:26, Rev. 11:9) from the world’s enraged nations and demonic legions (Rev. 9, 11:5-6). It is our personal belief that Moses and Elijah (Almighty God's Two Witnesses) will be used of Almighty G-d to bring about the massive destruction of Gog of the land of Magog and his Islamic confederacy and armies (Ezek. 38-39, Rev.11:5-6).
As the Two Witnesses of Almighty God's ravished bodies lay in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days, the remaining world will EXCEEDINGLY rejoice and praise the Beast saying, "Who can make war with the beast? - Rev. 13:1-4)". However... the Two Witnesses greatest VICTORY is about to be seen! Can you imagine the glorious godless mood of the world at this time when these Two Men are finally disposed of? In the world's godless hearts and minds there is now no limit to what their godless imaginations will take them, for they TRULY believe that they have finally rid the world of Almighty God and His Two Witnesses (Gen.11:6, 2 Thess. 2:8-12, Rev. 11:10-13).
"And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven." Rev. 11:10-13
With Moses and Elijah's resuscitation and ascension in front of all their enemies into Almighty God's presence they have now WONDROUSLY confirmed and affirmed all of what they have stated for the last 3 1/2 years! All what they have stated WILL come to pass and the Devil himself can NEVER stop it (Dan. 43-44, 7:13-14, Rev. 11:15, 17:17, 19:11:21, 20:1-10)! What is most astounding and amazing about this future event is that the godless world leaders and their peoples at this time will NOT repent, but sell their souls to the Anti Christ and partake of the abomination which leads to ETERNAL desolation all the way to the Battle of Armageddon and ETERNAL Damnation (Zech.14:1-4, 2 Thess. 2:8-12, Rev. 14:9-11, 16:13-16, 19:11-21).
WOE, WOE, WOE.... to those in that Day!
The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!
We do have scriptural evidence of believers being baptized. Infants no, believers yes. We would have to come to the conclusion that the water used in baptism has a regenerative quality to it. Or is baptism the affirmation of the regeneration? Acts 10 clearly shows this as an example.
LOL. I think the Baptist pastor would be more concerned drowning a baby than being labeled a heretic. Baptize means to fully immerse in water. So if we are to base our salvation on the baptizing physical act we should get the action fully correct. Probably why some Eastern Orthodox have the baby dunking tubs. But that still does not fully immerse.
I will add if the water regenerates, and godparents can vouch for a child, maybe we should do so down at the prisons.
I will say we cannot pick and choose what is allegory and what is literal from the very same encounter or passage. God is speaking here to Abraham. A direct literal conversation. God did not give Abraham a mixed bag of allegory and promise. God said the land portion of the promise was “everlasting.”
I believe God was literal in His promises. All of the other promises belong to the promise of Messiah Jew and Gentile. The land promise is separate and everlasting as well.
I keep hammering Genesis 12 and 17 because if we don’t take God’s promises literally then we get a lot more things wrong.
Amilleniaism is not a heresy; nor is dispensationalism. They are two of many eschatological theories.
Most Christians who take a literal approach to scriptures see a distinction between Israel and Church age. So does Revelation.
Some to include many in the Reformed churches along with Rome view Israel as the spiritual church and handle the yet to be fulfilled OT and NT prophecies as allegory and for the Church.
I take the literal approach since the prophecies already fulfilled were done so 100% literally. I don’t think God changed the formula.
My dear friend, No offense.. but we will disagree on that point. You are way off.. The Book of Revelation is highly Jewish and the depot for all prophetic settings. To alagorize the two witnesses or the 144,000 Jewish men is a great error.
Check out the Greek word for where they are both used... two totally different Greek Words. Jesus meets us in the clouds the two witnesses ascend up to heaven. Not to split hairs but that is what God’s Word teaches..
shalom!
Rev11:12
http://biblesuite.com/greek/305.htm
1 Thess. 4:17
http://biblesuite.com/greek/726.htm
A lot of Jewish talk but I disagree... no offense... A week is a week my friend and a 7 is a 7... Dan. 9:27. The anti Christ is the one who will break it (Dan. 9:26, Rev 11:7-12, Rev. 13). Scripture is its own interpreter.
1 Bride, 10 virgins... the Bride the church, the virgins speak of Israel at the end of the 7 year tribulation after Messiah’s return with His Bride (Zech. 12:10-14, Zech 14, 14:5, Rev. 19:11-21)saved and unsaved in that day. Even if the 10 virgins were the church does that mean that Christ has 10 brides...? (Eph 5:23-32). We will differ but the Rapture will be!... Then great deception with no light on the earth but the newly arrived Two witnesses in Israel (Rev. 11:33-7) and then it is 7 years of horrific global tribulation (Matt. 24, Rev. 6-19) . Think about it brother...
Yes indeed! Even when they are out of the will of God (Deut. 28-32, Lev. 26, Rom. 9-11) they are a blessing! What will be when they are in God’s will! (Zech. 12:10-14, Rom. 11:11-12)
To God be the glory! Trophies of Grace!
It’s all about the Jew!
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
And we know from Paul saying this to the Thessalonians in the first epistle chapter 4:
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
The above is FACT from the mouth of Jesus Christ and reinforced by his apostle to the Gentiles.
The other matters of translation (some call rapture) before, during or after tribulation; tribulation 7 years or 3-1/2 years; time lines etc. all are great subjects to discuss, study, pray on, meditate BUT not to divide the Body of Christ. We need to 'get' the Upper Room Discourse right and what Paul tells us right. We do so by reading it literally.
I will also note that the Upper Room Discourse makes it clear there is no detour through purgatory. Paul makes that clear too especially with regards to those "asleep."
I think it is more accurate to say "All is for God's Glory." Many want to dismiss Israel because to have an Israel seems to diminish Christ's Bride the Church. However, we must remember all things are for the Glory of God to include deliverance from our sin! So finishing 'business' with Israel will be for God's Glory. Not the Bride's glory or satisfaction, although she will rejoice, but to Glorify The King of Kings and Lord of Lords!
And the Beauty of the Bride and Israel "programs" is they are unified by Grace through the shed Blood of Jesus Christ (Yeshua HaMashiach). I add the previous statement because in the past some mistakenly take my comments as offering two ways to salvation. I am NOT and the scriptures DO NOT.
The answer is Yes...
When Jesus shows up at the end of the Tribulation in Jerusalem, everyone will believe in Jesus; those of Israel and those who are not as well...
ok, the Scriptures say “All Israel shall be saved”. my contention is the NT explains Israel is all who belong to Christ, whether they be Jew or Gentile.
NO...They are Christians...Not Israelis...Romans 11 proves that...
Again, in Romans 11 Paul is speaking to the Christian church...As the scriptures say, when the last Gentile is come into the church, Jesus will then turn back to Israel (not the church)...
I post relevant, easy to understand scripture and you seem to ignore it...
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
God is speaking to Christians about Israel...
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Jesus as the Deliverer has never been here...But he will...
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
This is probably the clearest chapter in the New Testament...
I have a feeling you wouldn't...
Gen_17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
The everlasting covenant of giving land can last only as long as the land lasts...Bible gives us about another thousand years...
EVERLASTING
עלם עולם
‛ôlâm ‛ôlâm
o-lawm', o-lawm'
From H5956; properly concealed, that is, the vanishing point; generally time out of mind (past or future), that is, (practically) eternity; frequentative adverbially (especially with prepositional prefix) always: - always (-s), ancient (time), any more, continuance, eternal, (for, [n-]) ever (-lasting, -more, of old), lasting, long (time), (of) old (time), perpetual, at any time, (beginning of the) world (+ without end). Compare H5331, H5703.
As you can see, there's a few definitions that can make up that Hebrew word...One of those is long time...And you don't even have to be a Hebrew scholar to learn that...
Explain quite nicely why the notion that Enoch was taken to heaven is in error scripturally.
“I have a feeling you wouldn’t...”
not with that weak explanation i am not impressed.
was the covenant in Genesis 17:7 an everlasting one? everlasting means forever.
the dispensationlist has to jump thru hoops and contortions to try and square the circle.
“When Jesus shows up at the end of the Tribulation in Jerusalem, everyone will believe in Jesus; those of Israel and those who are not as well...”
uh, even if this dispensational fantasy was true, the Jews in John 8 have been dead for over 2,000 years, are they going to get a mulligan?
in order to understand Romans 11, you first must read Romans 9:6 “ for not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel”
there is a physical Israel, after the flesh and there is a spiritual Israel which is of faith. only those in spiritual Israel will be saved.
“The Book of Revelation is highly Jewish”
Galatians 3 is very clear, in Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek.
Please show me one verse in Revelation that you think is “highly Jewish”.
“I keep hammering Genesis 12 and 17”
I wish you hammered Galatians 3 and Romans 4 as well, Paul is very clear that the heirs to the promises made to Abraham are those who belong to Christ, Jesus is the seed of Abraham.
pay special attention to Romans 4:13, Paul seems to think the promise was to inherit the world, not just Canaan.
there is a reason no one believed this dispensational nonsense before the 19th century, it’s not Biblical.
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