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To: Mr Rogers

You read what the earliest Church fathers thought about Peter, yet you disbelieve. Amazing.

To quote an Elvis fan.

“A billion Catholics can’t be wrong”.

The Catholic Church, The One, True, Apostolic Church, started by Christ himself, with an unbroken line of apostolic succession starting with Peter, right on up to Francis.

There is no way for protestants to deny the truth. Catholic Doctrine is Truth. The Word of God. You can’t change the truth. Resistance is futile.


88 posted on 11/09/2013 9:22:26 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

“You read what the earliest Church fathers thought about Peter, yet you disbelieve.”

I read what the Apostle Peter wrote about himself, and what Paul wrote about Peter in scripture, and discount the words of men writing hundreds of years later. Why? Because the scripture is the Word of God, and it seems God did not set Peter above all the others as Vicar.

Had God wanted to do so, it would have been simple. After the resurrection, Jesus could have said to Peter, “You are my Vicar...” but instead, Jesus spoke of sending the Holy Spirit, and the scripture plainly shows the Holy Spirit directing the Apostles and the Church. Not Peter.

So if I want to follow the Word of God, I consider Peter to be “a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a partaker in the glory that is going to be revealed”. Or I remember the rebuke Paul gave Peter in Galatians, and conclude Peter was not supreme over the Apostles, but “a fellow elder”.

“The book of Acts records that the Jerusalem Council was presided over not by Peter, but by Jesus’ brother James. Peter was sent by the Church along with John on a mission to Syria, an unlikely event if Peter was the defacto leader; while in one of the most dramatic events of the apostolic era, Paul actually rebuked Peter at Antioch for behaviour which was compromising the truth of the gospel (Gal. 2:11-14). Paul was responsible for establishing churches and setting up their ruling organizations across Europe and Asia Minor, but he says absolutely nothing in any of his epistles about the need to be in submission to Peter as the supreme head of the Church. In fact, Paul regarded himself as personally responsible for overseeing, guiding and protecting these fledgling believers. He considered himself to be on an equal plane with all the other apostles (2 Cor 12:11) — he was the apostle to the Gentiles while Peter was the apostle to the Jews. Paul operated independently and on his own authority, as opposed to being under the authority of Peter.”

http://www.the-highway.com/papacy_Webster.html

Please note that I reject Peter as the Vicar of Christ because that is how scripture treats him. No one reading scripture would conclude Peter had a position of authority over the other Apostles. To believe it, you must first listen to man instead of God, and give weight to men writing hundreds of years later and whose power required that Peter be ‘the first Pope’.

You might as well ask me to take the word of John McCain or Barry Obama over that of the Word of God...


90 posted on 11/09/2013 10:06:56 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: NKP_Vet
You read what the earliest Church fathers thought about Peter, yet you disbelieve. Amazing.

Not so amazing

Papal power was gradually developed by deceit and forgeries. The Donation of Constantine, a proven forgery, was used by the papacy to establish its base in Rome. The pseudo Isidorian Decretals (of French origin) consisted of 115 documents, purportedly written by early bishops of Rome, beginning with Clement (88-97) along with the pseudo-Clementine letters and homilies (invented by a heretic in the second century...professed to be from the hand of Clemens Romanus, who writes to James after the death of Peter, "...appointing the writer his successor....") were instrumental in convincing the people they were the true successors of Peter. Tertullian repeated the story that Clement was ordained Bishop of Rome by St. Peter. In the Secrets of Romanism, by former priest Zachello, page 46, we read: the rest of the story

92 posted on 11/09/2013 10:26:48 AM PST by Iscool
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To: NKP_Vet; Mr Rogers
To quote an Elvis fan. “A billion Catholics can’t be wrong”.

A billion Muslims certainly are! I'd be careful with using numbers to prove stuff - especially when Jesus, Himself, said "Few there be that find it (the path to heaven).".

98 posted on 11/09/2013 2:52:26 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: NKP_Vet; Mr Rogers
You read what the earliest Church fathers thought about Peter, yet you disbelieve.

I read what Scripture says about Peter and believe that, not what some so-called *church fathers* have to say.

Opinion pieces do not carry the weight of Scripture.

140 posted on 11/10/2013 9:29:43 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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