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To: daniel1212

Read what the Catholic church found the errors of Luther to be. You’ll never find listed as an error the doctrine of “sola gratis,” or any belief similar.

Lutherans now claim that Luther didn’t mean many of the things he said literally. Fine, but they are what the Catholic church objected to, and to imagine that the Catholic church holds doctrines contrary to these new doctrines that Luther “meant to say,” (simply because she opposed what he actually did say) is absurd.

What Pope Leo X ACTUALLY condemned, regarding sola fide:

That “in every good work the just man sins.”

That “a good work done very well is a venial sin.”

That “ to go to war against the Turks is to resist God who punishes our iniquities through them.”

That “Christians must be taught to cherish excommunications rather than to fear them.”

That “contrition makes him a hypocrite, indeed more a sinner.”

That “as long as we wish to confess all sins without exception, we are doing nothing else than to wish to leave nothing to God’s mercy for pardon.”

That “sins are not forgiven to anyone, unless when the priest forgives them he believes they are forgiven.”

That “it is a heretical opinion that the sacraments of the New Law give pardoning grace to those who do not set up an obstacle.”

And stung by these objections of Pope Leo X, did Luther correct the misunderstandings? Did he watch his loose tongue? Just the opposite! He began to say, “Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong (sin boldly), but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world.” It is this notion — that by sinning greatly, faith increases — that the Catholic Church found antithetical to that with grace necessarily comes redemptive work and faith, together.

As for Calvin, what can be said of a man who tried to ban the celebration of mass?


213 posted on 11/11/2013 1:54:11 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
Read what the Catholic church found the errors of Luther to be. You’ll never find listed as an error the doctrine of “sola gratis,” or any belief similar.

“Sola gratis" can mean two different things, but neither your response here or the rest of your post deals with the fact that you characterized sola fide as being rejected by Catholics because faith accompanies works, which is what Reformers actually taught, but not that the effect was the cause or basis for stultification.

Lutherans now claim that Luther didn’t mean many of the things he said literally.

Actually one of the multitudes of things Catholics disagree about is what Luther and Reformers meant, and whether the anathemas apply to Prots today. See The Roman Catholic Perspective of Martin Luther (Part Two)

did Luther correct the misunderstandings? Did he watch his loose tongue? Just the opposite! He began to say, “Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong (:

Another one. Once again, you hurt your own credibility by parroting such papal polemics, and rather than quote Luther from dubious sources or without examining context or understanding the polemical language, which superficial skeptics with an agenda do (expressing indignation that Jesus commended an unjust steward, and call a women a dog, and Paul relegated all the Cretans to being lying gluttons), you would do well to research here before pasting another quote.

Rather than than informal argumentation with its hyperbole, here is some of what Luther actually taught in sermons.

In his Introduction to Romans, Luther stated that saving faith is, a living, creative, active and powerful thing, this faith. Faith cannot help doing good works constantly. It doesn’t stop to ask if good works ought to be done, but before anyone asks, it already has done them and continues to do them without ceasing. Anyone who does not do good works in this manner is an unbeliever...Thus, it is just as impossible to separate faith and works as it is to separate heat and light from fire! [http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/luther/luther-faith.txt]

This is what I have often said, if faith be true, it will break forth and bear fruit. If the tree is green and good, it will not cease to blossom forth in leaves and fruit. It does this by nature. I need not first command it and say: Look here, tree, bear apples. For if the tree is there and is good, the fruit will follow unbidden. If faith is present works must follow.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:340-341]

“We must therefore most certainly maintain that where there is no faith there also can be no good works; and conversely, that there is no faith where there are no good works. Therefore faith and good works should be so closely joined together that the essence of the entire Christian life consists in both.” [Martin Luther, as cited by Paul Althaus, The Theology of Martin Luther [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1963], 246, footnote 99]

The Westminster Confession of Faith states:

Faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ and His righteousness, is the alone instrument of justification; yet it is not alone in the person justified, but is ever accompanied with all other saving graces, and is no dead faith, but works by love. [Westminster Confession of Faith, CHAPTER XI. Of Justification. http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/wcf.htm]

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As for Calvin, what can be said of a man who tried to ban the celebration of mass?

Neither Luther or Calvin were much my mentors, but what Rome has turned the Lord supper into is not Scriptural.

230 posted on 11/11/2013 4:15:24 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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