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To: rwa265

“then the cygnet is the mother of a black swan.”

True. Mother of “a” swan. Not mother of all swans or some other logical fallacy.

The Holy Spirit is God. The Father is God. Jesus is God. There are three persons of the One True God.

Mary is not the mother of the Holy Spirit. She is not the mother of the Father. She is the mother of Jesus.

Because she is NOT mother to all of the Godhead, she is NOT the “mother of God”. She is the mother of one person of the Godhead, Jesus.

She is only His mother in relation to His humanity because Jesus became a man (i.e. a human being) at the incarnation. But He existed from eternity past, being Creator of all things, INCLUDING Mary His earthly mother.

Further, after the resurrection Paul explains that we no longer relate to Christ in a merely natural way:

2 Corinthians 5:16
“Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.”

What does that mean, to have “known Christ after the flesh”?

He is describing familial and human relationships. For example, James, who wrote the book of the Bible which bears his name, was the Lord’s brother. (See Matthew 13:55) Yet, James does not use his familial relationship as the basis of any authority when he writes letters to the believers. (See James 1:1 and Acts 15:13-29.)

It is not the fleshly and human relationship that James or Mary had with Christ that is the most important. It is the spiritual dimension of their relationship. At one time Christ’s brothers, including James, did not even believe on Him. James’s being a family member did not avail him anything until he later received faith. Likewise, Mary, being Christ’s earthly mother would never have availed her of anything apart from the faith and obedience she demonstrated. It was not her earthly bond of motherhood that makes her an example, but the spiritual pattern.

You can go on and on and on seeking to justify calling Mary “mother of God” along with the many other uniquely Catholic abominations of making images in her likeness to bow down to them, to make offerings to them, to invoke her name as a means of forgiveness of sins (as in saying the Rosary), to call upon her name in prayer, making shrines to her, singing praises to her, and endless other offenses against God and Mary, His servant; but in the end you (as everyone) must give account to God for refusing to obey His commandments.


34 posted on 11/08/2013 10:04:56 AM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: unlearner

The Holy Spirit is God. The Father is God. Jesus is God. There are three persons of the One True God.


I am truly trying to understand these things. When God appeared to Moses in the burning bush, was that the same God whose voice was heard from heaven at the baptism of Jesus and at the Transfiguration? In all these appearances, was that not the One True God, the Godhead? When the Holy Spirit descended on the apostles, was that not the One True God, the Godhead? When Jesus performed miracles and forgave sins, was that not the One True God, the Godhead?

I believe it was the same God, whole and entire, manifesting Himself to us in different ways. And it was the same God who lowered Himself to become a human as the son of Mary. Jesus told Phillip that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him, and further, that the Father dwells in Him. The Father and the Son, along with the Holy Spirit are One, and when God appears to us as one of the three persons, all three are within Him. Just so, when Jesus was born of Mary, all three persons were within Him.


36 posted on 11/08/2013 11:15:36 AM PST by rwa265
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