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To: HiTech RedNeck

I will disagree....remind me after Shabbos (AKA, Saturday...G-d’s day of rest for the last 5774 years and 8 weeks)


16 posted on 11/01/2013 10:44:55 AM PDT by Phinneous
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To: Phinneous

Well, of course you will, in the position where you are.

You’ve got a lot of pride to overcome.

Still, if you wish, after the Sabbath. Have a restful Sabbath, and remember to exalt the Lord.


17 posted on 11/01/2013 12:12:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Phinneous

P.S. (and of course it will have to wait till after you’ve enjoyed the Sabbath for you to see this... I’m a gentile though [but with a lot of background in Judaic thought] so it’s not even obligatory on me by any covenant, remember...)

If you’re hinting at the old canard that the Christians moved the sabbath to Sunday, just toss that idea out.

First, not even all Christian groups, despite being overwhelmingly gentile today, do this. Ever heard of the Seventh Day Adventists? Although gentile, they still honor a Saturday sabbath. And they are blessed for it, too, even though no law requires they do what they do. They do it out of love for God.

Second, Jewish Christian groups honor a Saturday sabbath. It remained a New Testament norm. Check the gospels.

You’re probably thinking of a Roman Catholic doctrinal move. I’ve got severe problems with a lot of Roman Catholic teachings. It doesn’t mean Roman Catholics can’t be Christians. The essence of Christianity is in the covenantal relationship with the Christ, as the essence of Judaism is in the covenant with Abraham. The Christian promise of permanent salvation (though woefully blasphemed by Catholics — here’s where Calvinist denominations, and even the Seventh Day Adventists, really shine) corresponds to the permanence of Jewish identity by the bloodline of Abraham and Sarah (or later conversion by choice).

Yes, we crazy Christians identify it as a better covenant.


18 posted on 11/01/2013 5:48:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Phinneous

The proper treatment of Sunday in the Christian context is as “the Lord’s day.” And most evangelical denominations don’t call it the sabbath, but “the Lord’s day,” in exact quotation of the Christian bible. The reason it is called “the Lord’s day” was not because of any purported move of the Jewish sabbath, which isn’t obligatory on gentiles anyhow, but it is in commemoration of the resurrection of Jesus from death back to life. The Christian picture is not complete without that resurrection, even though much emphasis is put upon Jesus’ sacrifice. The sacrifice paid for sin. The resurrection imparts power. It was a one-two punch against evil.


19 posted on 11/01/2013 5:59:41 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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