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To: Zionist Conspirator

I, for one, think you have excellent points and questions. In the past, I would have thought nothing of the post VII pro-evolution POV. I most certainly do now. I’m noticing things now that I never noticed before.

I haven’t done much research on it, but it appears that Traditionalist Catholics do indeed question this change in POV. Although I don’t believe the change was ever codified into church doctrine there is definitely a change in focus in the hierarchy.

I happen to think that the Galileo issue is different however. I think the Galileo issue is more about science than faith. Were Catholics expected to believe that the Sun revolved around the Earth? Or was that incidental to the expected belief that God created the Earth, etc? I don’t think the belief that the Sun revolved around the Earth was ever included in any catechism for example....but I could be wrong about that.

OTOH, it seems to me that Creation was a clear matter of faith. Catholics were to believe that God created the Earth and that he did it in 6 literal days. And yes, now they aren’t expected to believe that. Perhaps just another example of modernism in the post VII church.


73 posted on 10/30/2013 2:27:41 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
Thank you for your kind words. However much you and I have disagreed in the past or may foreseeably disagree in the future, your encouragement on this issue where I find my self so beleaguered is much appreciated.

As for geocentrism, I'm not as heavily invested in that (though I appreciate those who have the guts to dissent!) for the simple reason that this deals with how the world actually works in the here and now, which is the legitimate purview of science. The Creation, however, is not at at all a matter of how the universe operates now but only the historical facts of Creation. These ancient facts are not subject to the laws by which the universe currently functions any more than any other historical miracle. In other words, while cosmology is a perfectly legitimate and fitting field of scientific inquiry, cosmogony is not. It belongs to revelation and theology.

There's also another observation, which is not original with me: geocentrism was always based on how the world actually looked to ancient people (and still looks to us today) without modern scientific instruments. The six-day creation, however, is not based on the empirical view of ancient man at any time (the world doesn't "look" as if it were created in six days, does it?). It is based entirely on information given us in Divine Revelation, and that is why I defend it.

76 posted on 10/30/2013 3:05:40 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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