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To: Mrs. Don-o
If the Church was to make a real effort to stop it then I wouldn't have a near the problem with it, but the Church’s Leadership is sadly lacking backbone to address these people (or the secretly believe in what they are doing)who are many times if not clergy are members of their own administration.

Using your own words; ARE NOT these the people above all others who should be "Catholic enough."? And if the Church has not the will or the backbone to address them what gives them the moral standing to address anyone?

I am just as aggressive with any Protestant denomination that is pro-illegal.
64 posted on 10/30/2013 11:20:28 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer; don-o; Campion
"Using your own words; ARE NOT these the people above all others who should be "Catholic enough."? And if the Church has not the will or the backbone to address them what gives them the moral standing to address anyone?"

Man, you're telling me. That's really one of the worst things about the overt political clericalism of the USCCB and their allies in the dioceses like Bakersfield CA (Bp Stephen Blaire), Los Angeles CA (Cardinal Jose Gomez), Bp Robert Lynch (St Petersburg FL), and many others. Not only do they frame all the Democratic Party talking points in curlicues of God-talk; they also fritter away all their REAL moral authority in matters which Catholic moral theology calls "exceptionless norms": in matters like murder, sodomy, apostasy.

So they're not only framing very dubious prudential policy decisions as if they were dogma ("Dream Act"), but they're also eliciting, cynicism, anger, and even worse, (((yawns))) when they do speak out on the gravest of moral crimes.

All I can say is, the worst of that generation are dying out (hitting mandatory retirement age), and we can only hope that Pope Francis' appointments will give us better guys on into the next generation. Benedict XVI made a good start on that.

Pope Francis' record on that seems mixed so far; too early to tell. I have never been one to stick my nose much into chancery politics. Fortunately, we have had some excellent lay leadership -- many of them converts--- blessedly not entangled in the clerical thicket.

There's no cure for this but to pray to God to raise up saints: which He has always done, is doing, and will do.

74 posted on 10/30/2013 2:45:53 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Lord, save Your people and bless Your inheritance; give victory to the faithful over their adversary)
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