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To: knarf; don-o

Those creeds are completely useless. Neither contains the gospel of your salvation, which is how we are saved. And the Nicene Creed tells us that baptism is for the remission of sins. Christ’s shed blood is our remission of sins, not baptism.


4 posted on 10/22/2013 5:09:44 AM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: smvoice
yep ...

The question is;

"What must I do to be saved?"

Believe on the Lord Jesus ...

5 posted on 10/22/2013 5:12:47 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof .... but they're true)
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To: smvoice

I posted both creeds because a lot of people have no idea what they really say.


7 posted on 10/22/2013 5:13:43 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof .... but they're true)
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To: smvoice; knarf

Did you read the article?

For discussion purposes, would you copy out what you find wrong in the article and tell why?


14 posted on 10/22/2013 5:20:34 AM PDT by don-o (Hit the FReepathon hard and fast! Nail this one for the Jimmer. Do it now!)
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To: smvoice; knarf
Those creeds are completely useless.

Creeds are useful as professions of faith, which are Scriptural, but not necessarily what a creed says. While the AC and NC only state core beliefs, they oppose cults which deny them.

Neither contains the gospel of your salvation, which is how we are saved

True, as regards details of how salvation is received based on what the historical facts, which Acts 10:43 could have been included, but for Catholics this is normatively via baptism.

. And the Nicene Creed tells us that baptism is for the remission of sins. Christ’s shed blood is our remission of sins, not baptism.

Which is why most Prots must dissent from this part. Baptism here refers to the instrumental means, by the act itself, of receiving remission of sins by Christ's sinless shed blood, but while baptism can be the time when you confess the Lord Jesus in being born again, it is not the act itself that appropriate this, but the faith the baptism confesses, in body language.

In Acts 10:34-43 we see a concise gospel message in which is promised, "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins." (Acts 10:43)

And as it is the faith that appropriates this, thus baptism came after regeneration.

"And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;" "And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith." (Acts 15:8-9)

Of course, you know this, but this may serve to counter objections to what you said.

24 posted on 10/22/2013 5:50:00 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: smvoice

The creeds are proclaimations of what the Gospel IS all about.


34 posted on 10/22/2013 6:16:41 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: smvoice

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:38

Is this verse not in your Bible?


119 posted on 10/22/2013 5:16:51 PM PDT by Jvette
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