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To: smvoice

There ya go - you and the other “once saved, always saved” crowd are free to sin at will.

Odd how that just doesn’t sound even close to Christianity.


205 posted on 10/20/2013 4:46:20 PM PDT by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: narses

Oh, what does it mean “Christianity”, narses? You tell me. Tell me the gospel. I can’t wait.


206 posted on 10/20/2013 4:47:29 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: narses
There ya go - you and the other “once saved, always saved” crowd are free to sin at will.

Yep, that's the part that disgusts me. Obviously, Paul was a fool to go off preaching all those years, because once he got 'saved', he could have become a satan worshiper with no ill effect because he already had his free pass into heaven.

I am amazed by this mindset. Such thinking basically makes God out to be a complete fool. He is offering the opportunity to spend eternity with Him - an eternity of relationship with Him - yet He doesn't care if we reject Him in this trial run called 'life' as long as we claim we believe and declare ourselves 'saved'. As far as I can tell, this OSAS mindset reduces the Bible down to about a page and a half. All that talk about the kingdom of heaven and dying to self is just wasted ink.

209 posted on 10/20/2013 4:53:43 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: narses
There ya go - you and the other “once saved, always saved” crowd are free to sin at will.

I sin willfully sin most every day...I usually eat more food than my body needs...

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Obviously this and other similar scripture means nothing to you...How can you discuss anything biblical if you don't know or don't believe the scriptures???

236 posted on 10/20/2013 5:17:12 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: narses

That’s where you’re wrong and don’t understand the new birth. The new birth is the creation of a “new creature.” A divine nature that has no capacity nor desire to sin, yet, we still deal with an unredeemed body. God promises those whom He justifies, sanctifies, and cleans, that one day we will have a glorified body to house our redeemed souls. The new creature the Spirit of God has created cannot die. When I made a decision for Christ, it was an eternal commitment that brought about a supernatural spiritual change within that cannot be altered. We are being conformed into the image and likeness of Christ. In the end, the word of God states clearly, that we will be likened unto Him. What God begins, He finishes! Those who accept Christ are immediately declared justified, sanctified, and cleansed —— FOREVER! The desire to live lives of holiness and purity resides within us; we despise the sin that plagues our humaness. We do not see and understand God’s forgiveness, justification, and sanctificatin as a “license to sin.” Those who think so, or believe in such a way do not know God, do not understand the Scriptures, and have not truly been born-again.


254 posted on 10/20/2013 5:35:23 PM PDT by evangmlw
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