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To: Louis Foxwell
Paul described salvation as a rebirth, a change of heart from the old man to the new man. Continuing to sdin as before salvation is not salvation. Unless the saved perosn is fundamentally changed by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit there is no salvation. It is not a crap shoot. It is a total sacrifice of self to Christ’s redemption. In order for the new man to be born the old man must die.

So, are you saying that, after salvation, one ceases to sin, and so remains "saved?" Or that one does NOT cease to sin, but is "saved" anyway?

Regards,

12 posted on 10/20/2013 11:57:10 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek

“So, are you saying that, after salvation, one ceases to sin, and so remains “saved?” Or that one does NOT cease to sin, but is “saved” anyway?

Regards,”


Obviously it is impossible to stop sinning, though the fact remains that the Christian is entirely changed from what he once was before:

“For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”
(Rom 7:14-24)


15 posted on 10/20/2013 12:03:17 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: alexander_busek

I am saying precisely what Jesus and Paul said.


16 posted on 10/20/2013 12:08:09 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: alexander_busek

John 13 is interesting to take a look at. Jesus told Peter he was clean and only needed his feet washed.


140 posted on 10/20/2013 2:52:27 PM PDT by redleghunter
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