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To: annalex
Not a single passage you have cited indicates as you say;

Let's take a look at a portion of the broader context for Ephesians 2

Now that, as in just about any other place within NT texts one cares to examine, does not hint of some order as towards ; proper works equals or is ""necessary" to proceed one's salvation, or even to keep it...but instead, that "works" more shall be as product (and witness of) that salvation which has been already established.

Perhaps you should study the Reformers in closer detail (and try this time to actually HEAR them) along with some of the modern theologians following roughly in their footsteps, before again popping off at the mouth about alleged "heresy" which as you put it; prevents the salvation of the Protestant Christians... for it is not that they are guilty of "fragmenting" the Gospel as you say, but that they do put the operating principles in better order(!)

One can never do enough "good works" to save oneself. Not now, just as at the beginning of one's renewed relationship with God (say--prior to and then immediately after baptism) nor in times later (like- now) shall some demand for "works" be as some form of continuing performance bond which by "works" or by letter must be fulfilled.

We will either love Him, or we won't. What earthly good can any law ever be as towards love?

It is the codification of love itself which is objected to.

With the prior objections to "works" being necessary for salvation being as much as to what the definitions themselves of what those "works" may be, other than what can be seen plainly enough in scripture, discernible both there, and by the Spirit -- and more simply by love, written not in capital letters, but even in the smallest and gentlest of things...

From James 3

Continuing in the faith however, shall be The Way for "good works" to at all come about, even to the recognition of what those may be in order that we may see well enough to know what the "good works" are, so that we may do them.

From Matthew 23

From John 13


457 posted on 10/28/2013 7:59:10 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; CynicalBear; ...

Ironically, for all Catholics spew about doing good works in addition to faith to earn salvation, that still doesn’t leave non-Catholic Christians out in the cold as anyone who has true faith WILL have good works.

We don’t add them to our intellectual assent in the vain thinking that intellectual assent + good works = saving faith.

Anyone with true saving faith has died to self and is a new creature in Christ, has the Holy Spirit living in them to will and to do according to God’s good pleasure.

*Good works* naturally flow from the life of the believer as the result and evidence of the transforming work of the Holy Spirit in our lives.


465 posted on 10/29/2013 3:54:12 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: BlueDragon
God prepared beforehand to be our way of life

Without quibbling with the modernistic translation, yeah, when something is to be our way of life, that means necessary. In verse 9, it is grace, not salvation that is not a result of works, and indeed, by grace alone we are saved.

you should study the Reformers

Good grief, for what? I am interested int he Church Christ founded, not in inventions of some German semiliterate monks 1500 years later. No sale, thanks. I know enough of Protestant phony theology to despise it.

One can never do enough "good works" to save oneself

No one says we can. By we should "walk in them" nonetheless through faith, and by Grace, we may obtain salvation if we do.

We will either love Him, or we won't.

Right. We love -- we do works of love. We don't -- we invent "sola fide" theologies instead.

Continuing in the faith however, shall be The Way for "good works" to at all come about

That is roughly accurate:

with fear and trembling work out your salvation. For it is God who worketh in you, both to will and to accomplish, according to his good will. (Phil. 2:12-13)

But why then do you contradict this by insisting that works are not necessary? God is not going to ask you anything unnecessary.

I am happy though you now appear to understand the distinction between salvific good works and sundry ceremonial, boastful, for-wages works of certain Pauline passages in Galatians and the Romans.

470 posted on 10/29/2013 5:40:13 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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