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To: annalex

Then it follows that to reject some portion or group from among the ekklesia in whole or in part, is not exactly the same as rejecting Christ --- for they are not one and the same.

I've seen enough to be able to determine that the [Roman] Catholic church ecclesiastical community, has pattern and practice, teachings and dogmas not precisely as what was originally founded.

Singular "papacy" over all --- not in the original charter --- not by practice, not by scripture, not by history.

The "hyper" portion of the hyer-dulia afforded to no one but Mary --- is yet another "development", and was not taught for many centuries. Asking Mary to inhabit one's soul "heart", teaching that "Mary" has "sovereignty... over all hearts"

4) Implore Mary to lend you her heart so that you may receive her Son with her dispositions. Remind her that her Son's glory requires that he should not come into a heart so sullied and fickle as your own, which could not fail to diminish his glory and might cause him to leave. Tell her that if she will take up her abode in you to receive her Son -which she can do because of the sovereignty she has over all hearts - he will be received by her in a perfect manner without danger of being affronted or being forced to depart.

is absolutely not Gospel as Paul and others preached, but some other "thing".

Salvation [in part?] by works, or some sense of "fusing" works to grace, by which one can then "merit grace"? Utter nonsense. One cannot merit grace, not work to earn it, or it be no longer grace.

But you have the temerity to speak of heretics?

I'm not ashamed of not consenting to papacy and "Marianism".

412 posted on 10/25/2013 6:46:31 PM PDT by BlueDragon (A ship in a harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are for)
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To: BlueDragon
it follows that to reject some portion or group from among the ekklesia in whole or in part, is not exactly the same as rejecting Christ

About other "groups" I don't know. Rejecting the Catholic Church is rejecting Christ Whose Church she is.

The Church continues to teach today, because the Holy Ghost speaks through her, then and today and in the ages of ages. The gates of hell shall not prevail against the Catohlic Church; all your heresies will perish as many others have already perished. Instead of clinging to your heretical fantasies, come and learn, and be saved.

413 posted on 10/25/2013 6:57:43 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: BlueDragon
4) Implore Mary to lend you her heart so that you may receive her Son with her dispositions. Remind her that her Son's glory requires that he should not come into a heart so sullied and fickle as your own, which could not fail to diminish his glory and might cause him to leave. Tell her that if she will take up her abode in you to receive her Son -which she can do because of the sovereignty she has over all hearts - he will be received by her in a perfect manner without danger of being affronted or being forced to depart.

What blasphemy.

Christ dwells in our hearts through faith. Our bodies are the Temple of the Holy Spirit. We can grieve Him, but Jesus said *Never will I leave you, never will I forsake you."

This nonsense about Christ leaving our hearts because of some sin we committed is right from the pit.

415 posted on 10/25/2013 9:00:18 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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