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To: narses; verga; jodyel; aimhigh; metmom; boatbums; CynicalBear; smvoice; caww; daniel1212; ...
It really points out the insane spiritual blindness among the anti-Catholic crowd. The only item of faith they appear to share is that the Catholic Church is evil and anti-Christ. Beyond that, anything is open to YOPIOS - the day of Worship? Sunday, or is it Saturday or maybe Friday? Celebrating Easter? Maybe, or is it pagan? Ditto Christmas! Baptism by water? Or not. And on and on.

Actually, the most serious heresies are among those who effectively operate according to the Roman model, in which the magisterium and or an individual is the supreme incontestable head, exalting their group as uniquely being the One True Church. And among such and in Catholcism there are formal divisions as well as within SS type churches.

Meanwhile it is because of Prots holding Scripture as supreme as the assured word of God with its basic literal hermeneutic, and the basic Protestant dissent from Rome's gospel, that evangelical churches have historically affirmed and contended for core truths (apostles creed, etc.) against cults and modern revisionism which predominate in Rome.

Were OT historical accounts such as the Tower of Babel, Noah's Ark, Balaam and the donkey, Jonah and the Fish, Joshua's long day, and wars of conquest, literal or fables or folk tales? Rome says the latter or leaves you confused.

In addition, within the parameters of Rome's teachings RCs have great liberty to interpret Scripture as they see fit to in order to support RC teaching.

However, they are not to objectively examine Scripture in order to ascertain the veracity of RC doctrine. And unity that is based on implicit assent to man is not Scriptural, and is inferior in quality to that which results from warrant based upon Scriptural substantiation, which is how the church began.

RCs point to their mighty magisterium as the solution to disagreements which result from reliance upon fallible human reasoning, yet they must rely on this if they will discern what magisterial class every teaching falls under, and thus what level of obedience is required, and if any dissent is allowed.

Moreover, RCs must engage in varying degrees of interpretation in understanding aspects RC teaching, as well as that which Rome has not officially defined. And the things RCs specifically can disagree on is substantial .

Furthermore while RCs will point a unity that is largely a paper one, as disagreement among RCs abound, and are less unified in and more liberal on basic moral views than Evangelicals, whom, they criticize for begin disunified. Yet Rome counts and treats such (which make up the majority in the West at least) as member in life and in death.

And which is what Rome effectually promotes, and which better defines what she believes than what official statements say, for as James (which RCs are wont to reference) stated, "I will shew thee my faith by my works. (James 2:18)

Finally, while the divisions within Catholicism are less than in Protestantism, that is a comparison btwn one church and many, and which Catholic loosely define, and this unity is not necessarily greater than any single Prot denomination.

As the basis for RC unity is inferior to that found in Scripture for the NT church, the issue once again is the basis for RC claims that she is the one true and assuredly infallible church, and thus according to herself, she cannot be wrong.

102 posted on 10/20/2013 11:45:47 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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However, they are not to objectively examine Scripture in order to ascertain the veracity of RC doctrine. And unity that is based on implicit assent to man is not Scriptural, and is inferior in quality to that which results from warrant based upon Scriptural substantiation, which is how the church began.

Here is where your argument completely falls apart. It was a lack of scriptural knowledge and poor catechesis that caused me to leave the Catholic Church. When I finally sat down and really studied scripture, I mean really did a through study, that is what brought me back in.

112 posted on 10/20/2013 1:34:35 PM PDT by verga (Si hoc legere scis, nimium eruditionis)
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Actually, the most serious heresies are among those who effectively operate according to the Roman model, . . .

Thanks for your thoughtful comments on this issue.

172 posted on 10/21/2013 8:53:29 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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