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To: daniel1212
There you have it, 51 Biblical Proofs Of A Pauline Papacy And Ephesian Primacy!

Likely, if we look hard enough there may be more than 51...

If Jesus really did chose Peter to run his church (which he didn't), then Jesus must have changed his mind later...

Even tho it was revealed to Peter (before Paul came along) that Gentiles could be included into the religion, Jesus hunted for an intellectual Roman who was also a Jew and enemy of the church to reveal and lead his church...One who could be all things to all people...

One who could/would dump all of his intellectualism/man made wisdom in favor of the knowledge and wisdom of God...Our first real Pope, Pope Paul...

If I was a popish type person, I'd follow Paul...He wins over Peter, hands down...But thank God, Jesus revealed to us (thru Paul and Peter) that there ain't no pope...

80 posted on 10/14/2013 10:50:14 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
If I was a popish type person, I'd follow Paul...He wins over Peter, hands down....

Well, Paul could state, "for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing." (2 Corinthians 12:11)

And Pope Francis is reported to have affirmed, when asked,

Can I ask you, Your Holiness, which saints you feel closest to in your soul, those who have shaped your religious experience?

“St. Paul is the one who laid down the cornerstones of our religion and our creed [the pope substitutes Paul for Peter. When did you see a TRC say that? Closet Prot?]. You cannot be a conscious Christian without St. Paul. He translated the teachings of Christ into a doctrinal structure that, even with the additions of a vast number of thinkers, theologians and pastors, has resisted and still exists after two thousand years. Then there are Augustine, Benedict and Thomas and Ignatius. Naturally Francis. Do I need to explain why?” - www.repubblica.it/cultura/2013/10/01/news/pope_s_conversation_with_scalfari_english-67643118/

But thank God, Jesus revealed to us (thru Paul and Peter) that there ain't no pope...

Not that of Rome for sure. Peter was the non-assertive brethren-type leader among the 12, (Jn. 21:15-17; Acts 1:15ff) and the first one to use the keys to the kingdom by preaching the gospel (Acts 2:14ff) by which souls are translated into it, (Col. 1:13) and first pastor of the first assembly, with almighty God affirming him and the apostles by over supernatural attestation. (Acts 5:1-16). And who can be seen exercising a general pastoral role. (1Pt. 1:1; 5:1)

But the Peter is Scripture is in stark contrast to the manner of men and their doctrines of Rome, while the NT does not substantiate a successor to Peter, and certainly not the Roman version.

Peter he never claimed to be more than "an elder," and a "servant and an apostle," nor claim assured infallibility as per Rome's pontifical formula, and instead he and the apostles established their truth claims upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power. (Mt. 22:23-45; Lk. 24:27,44; Jn. 5:36,39, 14:11; Acts 17:2,11; Rm. 15:19; Acts 2:14-35; 4:33; 5:12; 15:6-21;17:2,11; 18:28; 28:23; Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12, etc.)

He and other apostles preached to convict men of sin, and of righteousness and of judgment in such a way that conversions took place in the same hour as they were preached, based upon repentant faith, which baptism expresses. (Acts 2:38; 10:43-47)

In contrast is infant sprinkling upon proxy faith, which souls cannot obey the stated requirements for baptism, that of repentance and whole-hearted faith, (Acts 2:38; 8:36,37) and which is by immersion, or the weeks of indoctrination for converts to be baptized, about the power of the church, which saves one via the act of baptism, making one actually holy enough inside to be declared just, and who at the end (typically) must become good enough to enter Heaven thru an indeterminate time in purgatory, which Peter also did not preach on.

Nor did he or anyone ever teach or example praying to anyone else in Heaven but the Lord.

Or of a separate class of believers called “saints,” or the mention of the postmortem location of the saints being in purgatory versus with the Lord. (Lk. 24:43; 2Cor. 5:8; Phil. 1:23; 1Thes. 4:17) Or of indulgences.

Or of a clergy that differentiated between bishops and elders, and with grand titles ("Most Reverend Eminence," “Very Reverend,” “Most Illustrious and Most Reverend Lord,” “His Eminence Cardinal,” “The Most Reverend the Archbishop,” etc.) and also made distinct by their ostentatious pompous garb. (Matthew 23:5-7)

Nor did he teach or example popes enthroned like a Caesar, with his subjects bowing down to him and kissing his feet." for "as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man."

Or support required (with rare exceptions) clerical celibacy, which presumes all such have that gift.

Or of a church that conformed to this world in using papal sanctioned physical oppression and torture, burning and death to deal with theological dissent.

Or who, having lost that power, treats notorious manifestly impenitent public sinners as members in life and in death, in contrast to the NT means of disfellowship and spiritual discipline.

Or laws that greatly restricted personal reading of Scripture by laity, if able and available.

Or a church that sanctions teaching millions such things as that OT miraculous stories are fables or folktales, and that some historical accounts may not be literally accurate (sermon on the mount, etc.)

Being married and preaching a simple gospel message of repentance and faith, (Acts 10:34-43; 15:7-9) as a simple man, he was more evangelical than Catholic.

93 posted on 10/15/2013 7:46:30 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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