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To: Mrs. Don-o
MDO,

Elizabeth likely recognized Mary's baby as the promised Messiah. Jews did not believe Messiah would be God - still don't. For this reason, TC's commentary rightly says, "the Bible never ascribes the title "Mother of God" to Mary." It's earliest usage appears to be from Origen in about 250 AD.

By “Lord” Elizabeth meant Jesus, not the entire Godhead. Jesus is God, but not all of God is Jesus. Consequently the Bible never ascribes the title “Mother of God” to Mary. She was the mother of Jesus, who was Elizabeth’s Lord, since He was God. This usage does not necessarily imply that the person using it believed that Jesus was God. Elizabeth apparently meant that Jesus was the Messiah at least. Luke evidently used the term “Lord” frequently because for Greek readers “Christ” or “Messiah” had little meaning. The pagan Gentiles referred to Caesar as “Lord” Caesar meaning that he was their divine sovereign. “Lord” had the same connotation for Luke’s original readers. Jesus is the divine sovereign for Christians. - TC

26 posted on 10/12/2013 2:24:45 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Clarification: who’s TC?


33 posted on 10/12/2013 3:11:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Habemus Papam.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
" She was the mother of Jesus, who was Elizabeth’s Lord, since He was God."

Now that's my point exactly. Even if the exact phrase "Mother of God" (or more probably "Theotokos") was not used until 250 AD as far as we know, it's a restating, and a logical corollary, of what was already stated by Elizabeth, and even by the Angel Gabriel.

One can use a phrase that isn't ever used in the Holy Bible. "The Holy Bible", for instance is not found in the Bible. "My personal Savior" is never found in the Bible. "The Blessed Trinity" is never found in the Bible. These are certainly, however, Biblically based truths. Same as "Mother of God."

< The real point here is that one is a mother of a person, not of a nature. Jesus has two natures (Divine and human) but is only one Person --- a Divine Person, who existed from before all ages of ages, co-eternal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. His mother --- which is to say, the one who gave him birth --- not "gave Him existence," but "gave Him birth"--- in that stable in Bethlehem--- was Mary.

Hence she is the Theotokos, the Birth-giver, of Him who existed for all eternity before she did.

34 posted on 10/12/2013 3:20:47 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Virgo Dei Genitrix, quem totus non capit orbis, In tua se clausit viscera factus homo.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Then why does she also say immediately after "mother of my Lord",

As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!”

So she uses Lord to mean Jesus and then uses the same exact word a sentence later to mean something different entirely....God.

Uh-huh.

45 posted on 10/12/2013 3:56:00 PM PDT by piusv
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