Posted on 10/09/2013 8:25:55 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
Thanks for the ping, and the response!! :)
I don't see God in everyone because not everyone has God in them.
What I see is people who are made in the image of God, for fellowship with God, who are slaves to sin and the enemy, and are in need of reconciliation with God through redemption through Christ.
And yet Francis has said that people should follow what they believe is good (as opposed to what God believes is good). How is that not making oneself a god?
Don't get out much, eh?
JN:Don't get out much, eh?
Don't read Scripture much, eh?
Hebrews 13:5 Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, I will never leave you nor forsake you.
John 14:16-17 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.
Ephesians 3:14-19 For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, that according to the riches of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faiththat you, being rooted and grounded in love, may have strength to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
1 Corinthians 6:18-20 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
There is no one between you and Jesus/God ... are not true Christians.
The Pope is not “between” a person and Jesus. The implication is that Catholics are not true Christians; this is a serious judgment.
Great Post. Many Thanks.
“...false accusations and aggressive apologetics that misrepresent what someone believes...”
I am starting to find this to be true - we defend the Faith and the defense gets twisted beyond belief, often with ad hominem attacks thrown in.
On Topic:
This Pope has made me nervous as well since the beginning; I will join those who are fasting, watching and praying.
“Catholics may not engage in dialogue about doctrines ...
ethno-cultural slurs...”
I have never seen one example of a Catholic on this forum engage in name calling and I have seen plenty of engagement on doctrine. Catholics are usually referred to derisively as “you guys”.
“...everything since Vatican II has been/is heresy...”
I’m not there yet and I’m not a sede vancantist yet, but for many years now I have been coming to the same conclusions as you are. I fear the Church is in uncharted waters Pope does make me nervous.
the Black Pope
stonehouse01:
Well he is a Jesuit after all. I was taught by Dominicans and those of us who know our Catholic History well know that the Dominicans and Jesuits in the 16th century went after each other pretty hard. The Pope had to come in and tell them to cool it.
stonehouse01:
With all due respect, sede vancantistism is not the way to go. Popes come and go by the Faith remains.
“...how, despite all the prayers, fasting and sacrifice, did God allow just one man, Hitler, to come to power and doom 50 million mem women and children...”
This is the mystery of iniquity - how does God allow evil? The answer lies in the fact the devil entered our world through original sin, and has power in the world to influence free will. The reason that man is like God is because God created him with the intellectual powers of reason and free will. Each individual man can and does have the power to choose evil.
If God didn’t allow us free will to choose evil, we would be robots and not humans.
Each individual man has the power to choose good for himself, and that is where fasting comes in. Fasting in solidarity with Christ’s fasting (the 40 days in the desert, for example), helps us to remain close to Christ and and like Him, reject the devil.
The devil has influence over this world and is it very easy for humans to fall into his and the demons’ power.
One could make the argument that the fasting allowed the Allies to win in the end, so the western world is not speaking German.
“.. sede vacantism is not the way to go...”
I do realize this and appreciate your advice. It becomes harder for me as I see the disasters of the novus ordo and Vatican II play out - very bad fruit abounds. There is a piusV church community with 45 minutes from me and I have been tempted to join and haven’t. Our local novus ordo is dreadful. The priest add libs the eucharistic prayers and omits the creed, for starters. However, I do have a Latin mass and other options that have not rejected the pope’s authority and I won’t take that extreme step, but I understand why some do.
No, the claim that Catholics are the only “true Christians” is what is wrong and totally unbiblical and violates everything Jesus came to Earth for.
No, the claim that Catholics are the only ‘true Christians’ ...”
No, Catholics aren’t Christians? This didn’t answer the question. Catholics don’t claim they are the only true Christians. Catholics do posses the fullness of truth. The two statements aren’t the same thing.
Does the no mean that Catholics aren’t Christians?
No I don't...I stay at home studying what God wrote to us so I can know what he says about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and Christians...
Perhaps you should stay home more often...
Don’t rule out sedevacantism until you have done your own complete research. Most folks who stick their nose up at it really don’t know much about it at all. It is a scary route to take for sure, but we are in scary times. Even though I come off as a sedevacantist myself I still wrestle with it, but I can accept it much easier than accepting a heretical pope or more. It makes much more sense to me to conclude that the chair is currently empty than obeying a heretical pope (and the heretical teachings that flowed from VII).
In the end, it’s not as easy as saying “it’s not the way to go”.
Because the word *you* can mean singular or plural. It's not derision. It's clarification.
If one doesn't clarify, the the Catholic to which one is speaking starts spamming the abuse button, complaining to the RM that some non-Catholic is *making it personal*. By saying *you guys* or y'all*, it denotes plurality, Catholicism as a group rather than making it personal.
If Catholics didn't have such a thin skin that they flip over some perceived slight, then it wouldn't be an issue.
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