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Cardinal friend to Pope Francis: “You’re not the same guy”
Patheos ^ | October 6, 2013 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 10/06/2013 8:01:05 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: RobbyS

Exactly where did I say that he is not talking to God? I said I questioned his experience....and it was very strange indeed.


21 posted on 10/08/2013 2:22:02 AM PDT by piusv
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To: cothrige
And, btw, I am Catholic and have no dislike whatsoever for Holy Mother Church.

Alright, I apologize for implying otherwise.

22 posted on 10/08/2013 4:05:04 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: ebb tide; Greetings_Puny_Humans; kelly4c; piusv; cothrige

It is most likely that the Pope is a narcissist. He makes up a grandiose experience in order to seem even further above those around him. When caught in the lie he ignores his confronters and dismisses the whole thing. His followers then all run around trying to cover for him because, what else are they going to do? The person who exposes the lie, in this case a reporter who points out the conflicting stories, ends up being branded the liar.

However, maybe the Pope *is* actually telling the truth. Mystical experiences have a way of making those who experience them look like kooks to everyone else. Perhaps everything happened exactly the way the Pope said it did. He walks off the balcony, there *is* a door there, he goes through it and it *does* lead to a small room. Inside the room, a spirit does possess him and gives him supernatural charisma. He then returns to the balcony and the Cardinals notice that he is a completely different man.

Now, maybe Msgr. Dario Vigano, Jean-Louis Tauran, and Agostino Vallini are *also* telling the truth. That the Pope left the balcony, went into the Pauline Chapel, prayed in the back pew, stands up, turns around, and at that moment is a completely different man. This is what *they* saw.

Missing time and dimensional shifts are common components of mystical experiences. As are “out of body” experiences, which are perhaps related to “in the spirit” experiences. When the Pope left the balcony, he could have entered a completely different place spiritually, a completely different dimension, than where his body was. The experiences he had there could have been made to take up the exact amount of time that passed for his body, no matter how long those experiences were. Those who were with his body described it as, “he had his eyes down, he wasn’t smiling, he didn’t say anything to the cardinals, and was as if he were carrying an enormous burden.” Perhaps this is how a body looks during an “in the spirit” experience.

The Pope perhaps did not even realize something was wrong, which is why he relayed his experiences as if they were what everyone else experienced. Perhaps he was just as shocked to hear they weren’t, as the Cardinals, the reporter, and all of us were. Everyone silently looks at him like he is a kook, maybe he even thinks he is himself. So everyone dismisses the whole thing.

It cannot be stressed enough how common it is for people who experience supernatural events to completely block out and dismiss the entire thing. He blocks out the fact that, without his body, he went through a door that does not exist and was in a place that cannot be, because to contemplate such a thing is to invite madness. And anyone he confides in will think he is crazy, because if what he is saying is true, then we must accept that absolutely nothing in the world that we take for granted is as we think it is, that there are unspeakably powerful supernatural beings doing whatever they want to us whenever they want with agendas we can never know, and that there is nothing we can do about it. Worst of all, one of these beings is haunting *you*. To truly understand, absorb and accept such things is horrifying beyond human endurance, so the mortal mind blanks it out and dismisses it for its own protection. What cannot be, must not be.

Both stories have one thing in common. The Pope is now a completely different man. This spirit of supernatural charisma he has been possessed by has altered him. Is this spirit evil? We will know by his fruits.

The city of Damascus was not destroyed recently during Obama’s Middle East debacle, as it easily could have been, so perhaps the time is not yet.


23 posted on 10/08/2013 5:22:33 AM PDT by Outership (Revelation Bible Study: www.thepropheticyears.com/The book of Revelation/index.htm)
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To: Outership

WOW. Great post and it makes perfect sense, in a warped, supernatural kind of way. Great job!


24 posted on 10/08/2013 5:32:48 AM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: RobbyS

A friend of mine who used to be an agnostic (declared atheist) was born again in Christ. One of the things that happens in the Church he’s in is that he’s immersed in hot tub sized bath of water.

The heater on it broke, and the water was ice cold. He told me after that he felt great anxiety at being immersed in the cold water in front of the congregation.

However, upon being immersed, the water was as warm. He was brought from the tub, and he turned to stick his hand in, and the water was icy cold.

Satan may be in charge on Earth, but the Holy Spirit is our advocate. We deny the many evidences of God’s plan for us in our lives.

As to the Pope, the events are on tape, or chip, somewhere that can put all of this to rest, save the bit about his ‘sense of calm’.

However, the Apostles were scared sheep before Pentecost, and afterward they had the courage of lions. As such, this isn’t the first time this particular miracle has occurred, if it was a miracle.


25 posted on 10/08/2013 5:40:08 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: smvoice; ebb tide; Greetings_Puny_Humans; kelly4c; piusv; cothrige

Oh, thank you very much.

I should say though that the Bible teaches there is no such thing as an out of body experience, and that being taken up in the spirit is a bodily phenomenon.

What is said to actually happen during an out of body experience is that the possessing spirit inserts extremely realistic images and sensations into a mortal’s mind. These images can make them believe they have been somewhere out of their body when in fact it was more akin to a kind of virtual reality.

Spirits can insert all kinds of images, sounds, and sensations into a mortal’s mind, and this is the source of phenomena like past life regression, ESP, precognition, remote viewing, contacting the dead, telepathy, after death experiences, and all sorts of others. The Pope could have easily been the victim of image insertion, as this also fits his demeanor during the event.

Being taken in the spirit is said to be a completely different phenomena in which a person is bodily shifted to another dimension. This kind of event does not appear to be what happened to the Pope, as others saw his body here on Earth.

The reason this distinction is important, is because the Bible teaches that a human does not have a removable spirit. When a person dies, they lie in their grave, knowing nothing (Ecclesiastes 9:5). A person/spirit/soul/consciousness/etc is all the same inseparable unit.

There are beings who do have a removable spirit though. The Nephilim, who are the offspring of human women and fallen angels. When a Nephilim’s body dies, they live on as an invisible, disembodied spirit the Bible calls a “demon”. These demons are responsible for things like ghosts, poltergeists, hauntings, and the like. When they possess a human, they can insert images as above and can also cause phenomenon like telekinesis, weather alteration, pyrokinesis, and similar effects.

It is possible that the Nephilim are the root of ancient Egyptian mythology, among others. Perhaps this is why the Egyptians created mummies and placed them in pyramids along with worldly goods. They were preserving the body of the Nephilim because its spirit, the demon, was nostalgic for it and believed it might find a way to return it to life. The Egyptians then built a temple next to the pyramid in which they worshiped the disembodied spirit of the Nephilim as per its wishes. Eventually the body decomposed, the demon gave up and moved on to possessing humans.

So, the spirit that possessed the Pope probably simply inserted that experience with the door to the small room into his mind. It is the mark of an evil spirit to do something that would lead to the Pope looking like a kook just for fun, but we will have to see. If the Pope is a follower of every one of the teachings as written in the Bible, then the spirit could only have been the Holy Spirit. In that case though, the Holy Spirit would have already been within him, and the Pope would have simply felt “closer to God” as the Holy Spirit overcame his sinfulness and brought him closer to God.

I am not aware of God bestowing charisma on anyone. He didn’t to Moses, who practically asked for it. But, that doesn’t mean He hasn’t or wouldn’t. He does cause people to be born with charisma. And, when the Holy Spirit first comes to indwell in you, one does feel like a super hero. Perhaps this event was the Pope’s conversion moment. Being elected to Pope brought him to finally accept salvation by grace through faith in Jesus alone, along with all of the other teachings as written in the Bible, and this ‘door to the small room’ experience was the Holy Spirit coming to indwell in him. If that is the case, we can expect to see some HUGE changes for the good to the Roman Catholic Organization.

As far as I know, there are only two kinds of possessing spirit entities, demons and the Holy Spirit. However, the Bible says that Satan can possess people and indwell in them, so he can be counted as a third possessing spirit entity. It may be that Satan has only ever possessed Judas so far, and will only possess the Antichrist in the future. If Satan has the power to possess though, does that mean other angels do? If that is the case then there are three kinds of possessing spirit entities. “Angels” is a bit broad. There are different kinds of angels, and some of them appear to be spirit beings that can take on human form.

Satan is also currently the only fallen angel that is not imprisoned within the Abyss awaiting the End of Days. He roams the Earth and appears to be able to move freely between it and the heavenly places. Those angels imprisoned in the Abyss, which is somewhere in the center of the Earth and probably another dimension, were the ones that fathered the Nephilim. The other fallen angels are still in their heavenly places and haven’t actually “fallen” yet. That happens during the End of Days when with a swipe of his tail, Satan knocks a third of the stars out of the heavens and onto Earth. But, just because they are still in their heavenly places does not mean that these future fallen angels are not doing very evil things.


26 posted on 10/08/2013 9:29:42 AM PDT by Outership (Revelation Bible Study: www.thepropheticyears.com/The book of Revelation/index.htm)
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To: Outership

Absolutely fascinating post of yours. Thank you so much for posting it. I will be following Pope events and your posts from this point on. You’ve given me a road-marker of sorts, to compare his actions and words with your excellent thesis. Thanks again!

God Bless,

smvoice


27 posted on 10/08/2013 12:46:02 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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