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To: roamer_1; smvoice; WVKayaker
>>Like most Christians, I had never REALLY read the *front*.<<

I’ve got news for ya. A person doesn’t understand prophesy without understanding the prophesies in the Old Testament. That meme about “most Christian” is complete nonsense. If you “had never REALLY read the front it sounds like a lack of interest on your part. No one can fully understand the New Testament without understanding the Old. I also was raised in a Dutch Reformed church and we got plenty of the Old Testament but not much of the prophesies. I’ve spent the last 40 years studying both.

>>Keep the Name of YHWH covered up. That serves His purpose, surely, eh?<<

Nobody is keeping “covered up” the name of Jehovah. Play the language games like the Catholics do all you want but the Holy Spirit didn’t make a mistake.

The Journal of Biblical Literature Vol. 87 p.184 has listed 5,255 known New Testament Greek fragments. The Tetragrammaton does not appear in the New Testament either as YHWH or as the Greek transliterations PIPI, YAW and Iabe in a single one of these ancient New Testament manuscripts. This is despite "some papyrus fragments of the Christian Greek Scriptures that go back to the middle of the second century." (w82 3/15 p.23).

BTW Do you get the Watchtower magazine?

886 posted on 10/18/2013 3:18:48 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear; roamer_1; smvoice; WVKayaker

>> “I’ve got news for ya. A person doesn’t understand prophesy without understanding the prophesies in the Old Testament.” <<

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Had you read his whole post before replying, you would have realized that he has the understanding of Torah and Tanakh for which you have demonstrated a near complete lack.

Its really sad to see so many doing battle with something they failed to read.


888 posted on 10/18/2013 3:33:33 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear; smvoice; WVKayaker
I’ve got news for ya. A person doesn’t understand prophesy without understanding the prophesies in the Old Testament.

Well, I have some news for you too - Probably the very most prophetic books are in the Torah. One cannot understand the prophets without it. One cannot understand the writings without it either. If one does not count Jubilees and grand Jubilees, if one is not seeing new moons, if one is not intimately understanding the inheritance and the Holy Days, one is missing most of it. And making the mistake of not seeing the distinction between Judah and Ephraim is the same thing.

That meme about “most Christian” is complete nonsense. If you “had never REALLY read the front it sounds like a lack of interest on your part.

Not at all - I went through a decade of understanding very much like yours... without understanding the structures of the Torah. I was still thinking like a Greek, and had Rome colored glasses. When I STARTED with the Torah, and maintained an Hebrew aspect, Then it started to unfold. And it continued to unfold right into the New Covenant, with a completely new perspective.

For instance, there is no doubt that Yeshua declared explicitly that one should do and keep the Torah. Understanding that he kept the Torah perfectly and changed nothing was a stunning discovery. Everything I had been told He changed was totally false, and with the slightest knowledge of the Torah, one can see Him pointing relentlessly back to the Torah, and ever pointing to the Father.

But it was the Hebrew sense of 'disciple', different from the Greek, that sealed the deal... An Hebrew disciple treats His teacher's words and actions somewhat like Torah - They will do nothing to break the words and actions of the Rabbi, else they are not a disciple, and are something new, gathering their own disciples to a new sect. So interpreting the Apostles in a way that breaks Yeshua's words cannot be right - That lends a whole new weight to 'I follow Peter, I follow John, I follow Paul', as that is, to an Hebrew mind, a division of sects, and no longer followers of Yeshua - very important.

Yeshua said to do and teach the Torah - All who follow Him *must* say and do the same thing. Ergo, what one may think one sees in Paul *has to be passed through that statement*, or Paul is a false disciple, much like a prophet who goes against the Torah is a false prophet. Since Yeshua kept the Torah (His actions) and told His followers to do the same (His words), His disciples are obligated to emulate him. To wit: Yeshua could not break the Torah or He is a false prophet + Paul and the others cannot break Yeshua or they are false disciples == Do and keep the Torah. Paul must necessarily be interpreted in that light. And that severely restricts interpretation... And it also, btw, utterly destroys the Roman church, because THAT is the tradition mentioned by the apostles...

Nobody is keeping “covered up” the name of Jehovah. Play the language games like the Catholics do all you want but the Holy Spirit didn’t make a mistake.

The Spirit did not make a mistake. But all the same, the Name is covered up nearly seven thousand times in every Bible on earth, directly in opposition to the Torah contained in the same Book. It was the Jews who changed the Word, and the Christians blindly followed suit.

BTW Do you get the Watchtower magazine?

LOL! Riiiiight. Guilt by association. nice. I know of no Torah-keeping JWs. not a one. And they do not call Him YHWH either. Who is playing catlick games now?

889 posted on 10/18/2013 7:25:21 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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