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To: editor-surveyor; CynicalBear
OK, NOW I understand where our differences lay. FINALLY I can make some sense of just WHAT we are disagreeing with and WHY.

Read Acts, Chapter 2. You will see clearly that Peter was speaking of the last days. It would be a time of a great revival when all Israel will be saved (Joel 2,3). Read them and understand WHO they were written to and WHAT they say.

NOW read Thessalonians, Corinthians, 1 and 2 Timothy, etc. Paul's speaking of the last days. He CLEARLY speaks of the last days as APOSTACY. NOT REVIVAL. (2 Tim. 3:1,2,5; 4:3,4).

See the differences? The "last days" of the tribulation will be filled with REVIVAL (Peter, Christ, James, John, all the OT saints prophets, especially Joel, John the Baptist, ISRAEL, knew this. It was PROPHECY, concerning the nation ISRAEL, made known FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.

The "last days" of the CHURCH THE BODY OF CHRIST was a SECRET, A MYSTERY, kept SECRET from the foundation of the world, until revealed to Paul from the RISEN Christ. The Body of Christ was NOT KNOWN until Christ revealed it to Paul, and he revealed it to us. His "last days" refers DIRECTLY to OUR condition and OUR future, JUST BEFORE GOD BEGINS THE TRIBULATION. WE are going to experience APOSTACY.

Do you see the huge difference? If one is talking about REVIVAL, and the other is talking about APOSTACY, then they CANNOT be the same. And indeed they aren't. THIS is why 2 Tim. 2:15 is IMPORTANT, and unlocks the key to God's Word. Rightly dividing His Word would have showed you that Peter and Paul were talking about different "last days". BOTH are true. And BOTH come from God's OWN MOUTH. ONE has to do with PROPHECY. And the OTHER has to do with THE MYSTERY, HID IN GOD since the world BEGAN (Ephesians 3:9; Rom. 16,25,26; Eph. 1:4).

If you still don't understand this, try this: completely take Paul out of your Bible (visually, not literally!). Take every mention of him in Acts away. Take Romans through Philemon away. Now, re-read your Bible. You will see an unbroken line of prophecy, from Genesis through Revelation. Prophecy concerning ISRAEL. When Peter stood up on Pentecost and gave his passionate plea, who was he preaching to? Israel. Read Acts 2 again and see. The Bible is 3/4 prophecy. concerning ISRAEL and God. The promises, covenants, prophets, kingdom promises, and setting up His kingdom on earth, in Jerusalem.

The other 1/4 is about a mystery, a secret, hid in God, that the prophets knew nothing about, Peter and the 11 knew nothing about (read Acts 2 again if necessary), and satan knew nothing about. The CHURCH THE BODY OF CHRIST. It has a definite BEGINNING, a MIDDLE (the building of it, how to get in it, what to do once you're in it, etc.), and an END (the RAPTURE of the Body of Christ). When Christ saved Saul, changed his name to Paul, and sent HIM forth to proclaim this MYSTERY, with all its revelations that the risen Christ gave to him, that was the BEGINNING. This is what Romans through Philemon is ALL about.

I hope you can see the differences. It makes Bible study much more enjoyable and understanding when you see those differences CLEARLY. 2 Tim. 2:15 seems quaint. It is the POWERHOUSE of Scripture.

202 posted on 10/07/2013 9:56:45 AM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: editor-surveyor; CynicalBear
I'll add this to my already too long post I gave you...One(or more) of us is sitting right now, at perfect peace, while the condition of the world is getting worse. Apostacy setting in, and men growing more evil as time goes by. One of us is frantic right now, reading Revelation, expecting a huge revival, not understanding WHY it isn't happening yet. Reading the Scriptures, and trying to make those that SEEM to contradict each other GO together. Explaining away that SEEMING contradictions not very believably. One knows that every day the world gets worse, is one more day of God's grace extended to an evil and adulterous word. And one more day of honor to be an ambassador for Him (2 Cor. 5:14-21). And that as soon as the Body of Christ is complete, with the last person saved by the FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST, we are OUT'A HERE. The other can't be CERTAIN we won't go through at least PART of God's wrath. One of us KNOWS we are not going to experience God's wrath to come. He has promised us that. The other does not have that security. He's just hoping that the rapture comes before it gets too bad here.

One rightly divides God's word of truth. The other one doesn't.

203 posted on 10/07/2013 10:21:39 AM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: smvoice

>> “Read Acts, Chapter 2. You will see clearly that Peter was speaking of the last days. It would be a time of a great revival when all Israel will be saved” <<

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Do you have a roster of Israel?

Most of Israel will be saved because they have believed him all of their lives. Israel is spread out throughout all of the nations, and mostly they are already worshiping Yeshua. The problem is, from the POV that you present, they don’t presently know that they are Israel. They will find out when the time comes, and my suspicion is that it will be as we are standing on the sea of fire and glass.

Peter didn’t call for a revival, as like a Billy Graham crusade, he simply stated that Yeshua’s sheep would prophesy and dream dreams. I don’t know where this revival idea came from, but there you have an opportunity to “rightly divide the word of truth.” Such a revival is in conflict with all of the epistles, including Peter’s.


210 posted on 10/07/2013 11:16:35 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: smvoice; editor-surveyor

Excellent! I fear there will be a disconnect however since I believe that Editor is getting his information from something other than scripture and simply applies that information to scripture attempting to make it make sense.


221 posted on 10/07/2013 11:55:14 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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