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To: CynicalBear; editor-surveyor; jodyel; verga; vladimir998; Elsie; Heart-Rest
Hmm, either Jesus contradicted Himself or the RCC is in error. Not a tuff choice for non Catholics.

Many of His disciples could not accept this teaching and walked away. In that group was Judas. It is a hard saying ... but He said it and the Catholic Church has followed His command ever since.

There you go posting that same apparent cut and paste. We have been through this before and not that long ago. Jesus was clearly explaining that He was talking spiritually and not carnally like the Catholics think.

Centuries before someone decided to form the evangelical church that you attend, christians accepted the words of Christ and followed them.

Ignatius of Antioch, who had been a disciple of the apostle John and who wrote a letter to the Smyrnaeans about A.D. 110, said, referring to "those who hold heterodox opinions," that "they abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again" (6:2, 7:1).

Forty years later, Justin Martyr, wrote, "Not as common bread or common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nourished, . . . is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus" (First Apology 66:1–20). Origen, Cyril of Jerusalem, Theodore of Mopsuestia ALL testified to this belief. The early Church took John 6 literally. In fact, there is no record from the early centuries that implies Christians doubted the constant Catholic interpretation. There exists no document in which the literal interpretation is opposed and only the metaphorical accepted.

But you go ahead and follow the lead of Judas and the others who walked away. We Catholics will continue to follow the words of Christ.

405 posted on 10/02/2013 2:58:29 PM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer; CynicalBear; jodyel; verga; vladimir998; Elsie; Heart-Rest

>> “. but He said it and the Catholic Church has followed His command ever since.” <<

. no he didn’t say it!

Yes, the RCC , as usual has followed the pagan idea to the death, spiritual death.

The gospels are chock full of misunderstandings of Hebraisms by a translator when the Greek was made.

These glaring non-sequiturs show that whoever wrote the Greek was never present when Yeshua, or any other Jew spoke. The disciples speaking Hebrew slang would not be easy for a Hellenist to grasp, unless they were raised in a Jewish synagogue.


406 posted on 10/02/2013 3:12:40 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: NYer
>>Many of His disciples could not accept this teaching and walked away.<<

Yep, they misunderstood just like the Catholics. Difference is that Catholics have no compunction about eating flesh and drinking blood.

>>Centuries before someone decided to form the evangelical church that you attend<<

And what “evangelical church” do I attend again? It’s the first I’ve heard of it so enlighten me please. Why do Catholics form beliefs not based in fact?

>>We Catholics will continue to follow the words of Christ.<<

Not even close. Those pagan rituals, practices, vestments and beliefs that are incorporated into the RCC are not “words of Christ”.

408 posted on 10/02/2013 3:20:32 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: NYer; CynicalBear; jodyel; verga; vladimir998; Elsie; Heart-Rest
>> “Many of His disciples could not accept this teaching and walked away. In that group was Judas.” <<

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That is an absurd mistake for even a catholic to make!

John 6 was early in Yeshua’s ministry. Judas was with him, carrying his purse of money, until the evening before the crucifixion. Yeshua passed a sop of bread to Judas at the supper that evening.

409 posted on 10/02/2013 3:27:22 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: NYer

“Centuries before someone decided to form the evangelical church that you attend, christians accepted the words of Christ and followed them.”

Two thousand years ago, every Christian was evangelical. Christ commanded them to evangelize.


411 posted on 10/02/2013 3:37:59 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States...)
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To: NYer; CynicalBear; editor-surveyor; jodyel; verga; vladimir998; Elsie; Heart-Rest
Many of His disciples could not accept this teaching and walked away. In that group was Judas. It is a hard saying ... but He said it and the Catholic Church has followed His command ever since.

And in doing so, the Roman church must needfully ignore that Yeshua Himself explains that He is speaking of spirit.

The gist of the entire passage shows Yeshua purposefully winnowing His so called 'followers' to weed out the ones who would not truly follow (to include Judas). Even His inner circle (which did stay) had problems with what He said, until after, when He revealed an explanation - Whereupon, btw, there was no further question at all.

One cannot ignore the explanation, but that is what the papists must do - Include the explanation, and the only thing that makes sense is an intentional winnowing... Those that would think Him capable of breaking Torah, would not truly be His followers... Those that waited found out He did not break Torah.

412 posted on 10/02/2013 3:39:17 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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