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To: boatbums

****”He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Those who do not believe, are condemned ALREADY because they do not believe. It can’t be much clearer.*****

BECAUSE HE HATH NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.....how does one believe or not believe in something when they know nothing of it?

In the parable of the seed, what is the seed? And must it be sowed? If the seed is the Gospel then this parable cannot be speaking of those who have never heard the Gospel.

Jesus says in John 5:24
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

Jesus often speaks of “hearing and obeying”. What then of those who never hear?


1,444 posted on 10/09/2013 9:28:10 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: Jvette

” What then of those who never hear?”

Romans 1, the grace and sovereignty of God and His amazing love and justice.

Whatever He does will be exactly right. We can trust His character.


1,449 posted on 10/09/2013 9:39:45 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: Jvette
****”He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Those who do not believe, are condemned ALREADY because they do not believe. It can’t be much clearer.***** BECAUSE HE HATH NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.....how does one believe or not believe in something when they know nothing of it?

The key to that verse (John 3:18) is "already condemned". Those that do not believe are ALREADY condemned because of sin. It isn't the unbelief that condemns us but that we stand condemned coming into the world due to our sin nature which is at enmity with God. Grace and faith is how we are saved from that by the blood of Christ cleansing us from all sin. I understand the point you are trying to make about those who we think never hear the gospel and never directly reject it and whether or not they are held accountable for what to us seems to be not their fault. In John 3:19, Jesus continues:

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

We ALL are born into sin and on our way to eternal separation from God. But He steps in and shines the light of truth to the souls that seek Him and, as I said earlier, we cannot limit God in how He reveals Himself to the one who searches for Him with all their heart. Just look at Abraham.

1,549 posted on 10/09/2013 8:29:55 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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