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To: jodyel
Sorry but you have NO IDEA of what has been revealed to you through the Spirit. You need to have a guidepath to determine whether what is being revealed is actually the truth or simply some solipsistic fantasy that you want to be true.

That guidepath is what the debate is about. AND, that is the reason why I continue to ask WHAT are you PROTESTING? Furthermore, why isn't every protestant denomination protesting the same things?

Your version is your version. It doesn't mean its the truth. You might protest what you see as errors in the Catholic faith but at the end of the day, you MUST rely on the Books of the Bible which were given to you, as well as 1500 years of teaching (prior to the reformation)to create your "truth." Yet, you don't want to acknowledge that lineage, or tradition. You simply want to dismiss it as well as other troublesome Biblical passages which refer to the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist, Peter being the Rock on which the Church was founded, etc.

Pick and choose what you want. But at least admit your version of the truth has NO lineage back to Jesus Christ nor his followers.

I think your faith, by the way, is fantastic. You should talk about it and live it just like we all should. But, on this thread, you're not doing that. You're just trying to undermine the faith of those of us who choose to be and are quite happy being the Spawns of satan...err...Roman Catholic.

211 posted on 10/01/2013 8:29:28 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Solson
Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

212 posted on 10/01/2013 8:30:23 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Solson

I do have a guide path...it is called the bible. And without the Spirit of the Lord living inside one it is impossible to discern it rightly.

And every believer can be certain of what the Spirit is saying to them....but it takes being born again and filled with the Spirit....not just thinking or assuming one is.

That is what I am trying to impart to you here...it is not my version. And what you seem to fail to grasp is that I am not asking you to believe me or take me at my word but instead to go to God and ask Him to show you if what I have said is true or not.

This is the part that everyone here seems to miss. Don’t believe me, don’t trust me...but in sincere and earnest prayer ask the Lord whether what I’ve said is true.

However, it seems that “1500 years of teaching prior to the reformation” is more important than a simple believer coming to you and speaking truth. Remember what I said about being willing to give up “all things” to know Christ...only you can decide what is most important to you....to surrender all to Jesus...even your most precious, long-held beliefs...or to continue to cling to what you have always known.

Every protestant denomination is not protesting the same things because they are not all born again and Spirit-filled...just as I said in the previous post. The denomination matters not. And yes I know it sounds fantastic...how could it be so simple? But it is.

Believers are to call out error wherever they see it...not just in the Catholic tradition. And we are called to “make disciples.” That is why I am here telling everyone the simple truth of Jesus Christ. I am living it and telling it...we are called to do both.

My question is...do you want to be born again and Spirit-filled and have a personal relationship with God or do you want to cling to what you know? Go to Him and ask Him to reveal Himself to you in no uncertain terms. Can you not do that?


216 posted on 10/01/2013 9:52:13 AM PDT by jodyel
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To: Solson

http://www.amazon.com/Journal-Prophet-Wendy-Alec/dp/0955237718/ref=la_B001K8E82C_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1380646962&sr=1-4

From the inside flap:

For as we enter the twenty-first century, there is a cry that would ring out from Jesus Christ of Nazareth, as He who neither slumbers nor sleeps, walks even today through the streets of London, Rome, New York, Beirut, Los Angeles, Delhi, His cheek wet with tears for a lost and fatherless generation neither cognizant of His presence nor caring.

But still He walks...unseen...and still He weeps.

Oh, and how long has He sought you, beloved? How many nights has He stood listening silently waiting in the shadows unseen by you? And as you lift up your tear-stained face to Him, half blinded by the radiance from that most beautiful of countenances, He reaches out His hand to you and His touch lingers on your cheek as He brushes away the tears that flow. And He smiles that most wondrous of smiles.

‘You?’ you mouth soundlessly.

And you hear His tender whisper: I have sought you all your life. Through all the pain, through the loneliness, I have sought you. Each time your heart broke soundlessly with the agony of not belonging, I sought you. Through each rejection, through each hour of despair, I sought you. I was there, loving you. Reaching out to you. It was Me all along. And as your eyelids gently close, as you are engulfed in His tender embrace and the tears fall, somewhere through the sands of time in that netherland betwixt sleeping and waking, you recognise that familiar presence and you too know that He was there. It was He all along.


217 posted on 10/01/2013 10:12:29 AM PDT by jodyel
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To: Solson; jodyel
Sorry but you have NO IDEA of what has been revealed to you through the Spirit. You need to have a guidepath to determine whether what is being revealed is actually the truth or simply some solipsistic fantasy that you want to be true.

To be fair, neither do you. And as such, the advantage would seem to favor those who go back to the original contract... To that which we all KNOW is true.

WHAT are you PROTESTING?

'Protestant' is a fairly broad term anymore, not indicative by it's name. However, the most of Protestantism, Pentecostalism, and to include Non-Denom Evangelicals, Fundamentalists, and Congregationalists, would instantly protest the ways and means of the Roman church - They are not God's ways and means.

Furthermore, why isn't every protestant denomination protesting the same things?

Does the hand do the same thing as the foot?

[...]at the end of the day, you MUST rely on the Books of the Bible which were given to you [...]

Why MUST I? As a matter of fact, I have not.

[...] as well as 1500 years of teaching (prior to the reformation)to create your "truth."

Again, I need nothing of your 1650 years of 'teaching'. Nothing. Your 1650 years have produced a result that is profoundly against the Way of YHWH on it's face. If 'The Truth is Out There,' (which, it is) then it certainly is to be found elsewhere. And needfully again, the standard of measurement must be the inspired works of the original contract. That is what lays out the deal - the terms and work to be completed.

Yet, you don't want to acknowledge that lineage, or tradition.

Because that lineage is questionable (to be very kind) and that tradition is provably false on it's face. Why then should it be acknowledged?

218 posted on 10/01/2013 12:51:25 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Solson; jodyel
>>You need to have a guidepath to determine whether what is being revealed is actually the truth or simply some solipsistic fantasy that you want to be true.<<

And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Counselor to be with you forever--the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you know Him, for He lives with you and will be in you. John 14:16,17

Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.

Now you claimed that she had “no idea” and here is perhaps why you didn’t recognize it.

"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Cor 2:14

>>Furthermore, why isn't every protestant denomination protesting the same things?<<

Because most all of them retain many of the errors of their mother church.

>>But at least admit your version of the truth has NO lineage back to Jesus Christ nor his followers.<<

Didn’t you recognize the scriptures posted? They are the original words of God. Not some watered down version having been sifted through man’s wisdom over centuries. If you didn’t know scripture is the original “back to Jesus Christ” source having been inspired by the Holy Spirit.

224 posted on 10/01/2013 1:51:37 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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