Yet, y'all want to paint Catholics with the same arguments that continue to fail on the surface. As it's been pointed out before, this prayer, like so many others, calls on Mary, the Saints, the angels, and in this case St. Michael the Archangel to intercede to God on our behalf.
Wishing that away doesn't change what the prayer does.
Well, as I have said in other threads it takes one being born again and filled with the Holy Spirit to see biblical errors in catholic or protestant religion.
Contrary to opinion here, I am not trying to be self-righteous or elitist or hold myself above others with some special knowledge.....I am simply stating the truth as revealed thru the Spirit. This truth is made available to every Spirit-filled believer and is what God wants for all His people...even those in religion.
What I am trying to say is that most people want their religion, traditions, and what they have believed all their lives rather than a personal relationship with the Living God. They have a form of godliness, but deny its power.
It is a scary thing to give up all you have ever known
to follow Christ but that is exactly what He tells us we must be willing to do. Even the rich young ruler had to go away saddened since he did not want to give up the riches he had.
Wishing and hoping have nothing to do with it. Everything spiritual happens by the will of the Living God and one will not comprehend that until His Spirit moves upon them.
I don’t follow Catholic or Protestant traditions. I simply follow Christ. And all I am asking anyone here to do is go to God in sincere prayer and ask Him to reveal Himself. If anyone sincerely desires Christ and only Christ, then they must be willing and prepared to surrender themselves completely and allow Him to lead...even if where He leads is out of Catholic and Protestant traditions, rituals, churches, etc.
In Phil. 3:7-8, Paul said: “But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. But indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ.”
If that is all you can see then it may be all you want to see, rather than Pros opposing yet another of the incessant RC promotions of her doctrine in FR, and the utter absence of even one prayer to the departed in Heaven, or instructions to address anyone else on Heaven but the Lord, which instead is all that is exampled and taught.
And in response to me, it was a RC response to turn the debate to which canon is correct. Read more objectively.
A simple google search of prayer to Mary and the saints shows that those prayers are for far more than just asking them to intercede for people. They are prayers asking them directly FOR things. To do things FOR them.
“As it’s been pointed out before, this prayer, like so many others, calls on Mary, the Saints, the angels, and in this case St. Michael the Archangel to intercede to God on our behalf.”
“Wishing that away doesn’t change what the prayer does. “
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That is the issue. What the prayer says is evident. What is not evident - in fact totally absent - is your second point... “what the prayer does.”
To our knowledge as humans, it doesn’t do a single thing, other than distract from “boldly going before the throne of grace.”
It places the attention on Mary, Saints and Angels, instead of Christ.
It does this with no Biblical support.
It does it with no Apostolic support.
It does this with no historical support during the first hundred years of Christianity.
It does this with no secular support - written or in art form.
It is a total argument from pagan custom that entered the Church much, much later.
And worst, it does this by taking away from where any true believer should direct his prayers. To the Father.
I think the disagreement and discussion here is about your second point only.