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Are We Really Catholic Bashing?
reachingcatholics.org ^ | Unknown | Mike Gendron

Posted on 09/24/2013 7:08:17 AM PDT by jodyel

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To: WVKayaker
My 66th birthday is Sunday...
26 In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And coming to her, he said, “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.” 29 But she was greatly troubled at what was said and pondered what sort of greeting this might be. 30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” 34 But Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I have no relations with a man?” 35 And the angel said to her in reply, “The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God. 36 And behold, Elizabeth, your relative, has also conceived a son in her old age, and this is the sixth month for her who was called barren; 37 for nothing will be impossible for God.” 38 Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word.” Then the angel departed from her. Luke 1:26-38

7 Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels battled against the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back, 8 but they did not prevail and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. Rev. 12: 7,8

6 Raphael called the two of them aside privately and said to them: “Bless God and give him thanks before all the living for the good things he has done for you, by blessing and extolling his name in song. Proclaim before all with due honor the deeds of God, and do not be slack in thanking him. 7 A king’s secret should be kept secret, but one must declare the works of God and give thanks with due honor. Do good, and evil will not overtake you. 8 Prayer with fasting is good. Almsgiving with righteousness is better than wealth with wickedness. It is better to give alms than to store up gold, 9 for almsgiving saves from death, and purges all sin. Those who give alms will enjoy a full life, 10 but those who commit sin and do evil are their own worst enemies. Tobit 12: 6-10
Wow! A Roman Catholic feast day that I can tie to both Holy Scripture "and" your birthday! What could be better? Happy 66th. :)

Feast of Sts. Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael, Archangels

(Note: The Catholic Church does not celebrate this feast day this year as it falls on a Sunday, but come your 67th, the Archangels will be right back in the queue.)
241 posted on 09/26/2013 7:58:55 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: jodyel
Yep, Texas climate stinks, for me anyway. :)
If ever you wanted to come to the Chicago area, jodyel, this would be the week to do so. I can't believe our weather coming up; extraordinary. BUT, in a few months, I'm going to be coveting "your" weather scene. The older I get, the more I understand why folks have condos in Florida..
242 posted on 09/26/2013 8:06:35 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy
(Note: The Catholic Church does not celebrate this feast day this year as it falls on a Sunday, but come your 67th, the Archangels will be right back in the queue.)

Once again, Lizzy, you throw up some more of the rote and rituals of your group. It just makes me want to throw up!

You want to celebrate an angel, and try and tie it to my birthday? What could be further from my mind? There is only one to celebrate, and that is Jesus Christ. My birthday is inconsequential in the overall scheme of things, and the angel appearing to Mary is just more of your groups attempt to pervert God's plan. There should be no feast for an angel of any type. They are created beings for the sole purpose of ministering to God. With Michael, his ministry included talking to the Virgin. God spoke through that Angel so that the woman would not misunderstand when she became pregnant without knowing Joseph.

The Scriptures you quoted do nothing to celebrate Christ. The Scriptures you quoted were not entirely from the Bible, unless you want to include the Apocrypha. But the Apocrypha isn't Canon. Even the Catholic Church doesn't think so, but includes it for reference and to make their feeble attempts to convince blind people that they can see something that is not there.

So thanks for the birthday wishes, but no thanks for the rest of your post which does nothing to promote the gospel. The only gospel I know speaks of the saving grace made available through Jesus Christ. We are not told to go into all the world and preach the church. Paul didn't tell everybody that must be saved by the church. Paul didn't tell everybody to celebrate the church or the coming of some angels. The entire record we see in Scripture has one purpose only. The purpose is to prepare the world, which God has created, for His entry as a man, demonstrating holiness, and sacrificed for our sin.

Before the beginning of creation, God planned everything we see in Scripture. How else could the profits for tell the coming of Jesus Christ? How else could the record be established and passed to us through the written word that we have? The Catholic Church will claim that the only reason we have it is because they wrote it. It was written by instruments of God. It was written by the Holy Ghost. The Catholic Church may have a claim of assistance, but it's certainly cannot claim a role in salvation which it tries to do.

So, Lizzy, thanks for the birthday greeting of sorts. But your attempt to further the Catholic errors in doctrine are falling on deaf ears here in my house. There is no other besides Jesus name, by which we are saved. Not by works! Not by celebrations! And, most certainly not by taking our eyes off of the author and finisher of our faith. Your post is just another attempt to make us look down instead of up!!! That is how the enemy works!

Hebrews 3: 3 Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest. 2 He was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God’s house. 3 Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself. 4 For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. 5 “Moses was faithful as a servant in all God’s house,” bearing witness to what would be spoken by God in the future. 6 But Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory. ...

Hebrews 12: ... 1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.


243 posted on 09/26/2013 5:55:41 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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To: WVKayaker

You, WVKayaker are a treasure in the Body of Christ. I know you don’t want to hear that, that Christ is the true treasure, but I tell you, as long as we remain on this earth, in our natural bodies, you are a treasure. I am so glad you are here with us, to help steer the wheel in the storm. Thank you!

Regards,

smvoice


244 posted on 09/26/2013 6:00:58 PM PDT by smvoice (The 2 greatest days of your life: the day you're born. And the day you discover why.)
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To: mlizzy
Disclaimer Note: I use a microphone and a dictation program instead of typing, and I try to proofread as I go. But sometimes things come out wrong without my change of them. In this case, the words sound the same but are spelled differently and of course have differing meanings.

...profit for tell should read "prophets foretell"...

245 posted on 09/26/2013 6:01:18 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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To: smvoice
Thanks for your note, but I am just a spoke in the wheel. The Holy Spirit is at the helm guiding us followers into eternity. I am happy to be an instrument, and my song is to the Lord.

I know that every day we are inundated with these Roman Catholic attempts at dominating the conversation. But God knows the hearts and minds, and is sovereign in his reign. We don't know what to say all the time, but I try to be quiet and listen. Thank God he gave me the Holy Spirit to live in my heart, because he confirms that Jesus is my Lord. All praise goes in that direction, and my treasures are with him!

Hebrews 12: 18 You have not come to a mountain that can be touched and that is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom and storm; 19 to a trumpet blast or to such a voice speaking words that those who heard it begged that no further word be spoken to them, 20 because they could not bear what was commanded: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned to death.” 21 The sight was so terrifying that Moses said, “I am trembling with fear.”

22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

25 See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? 26 At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.” 27 The words “once more” indicate the removing of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that what cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, 29 for our “God is a consuming fire.”


246 posted on 09/26/2013 6:12:24 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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To: WVKayaker
Puhleeease, no puke!

And I thought I was being kind because the angels are covered in Holy Scripture (and I "even" posted it)....

Oh well, I did try..
247 posted on 09/26/2013 9:08:54 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: smvoice; WVKayaker
Amen to that smvoice!

That ONE NAME is on my mind from morning till night and I can almost count the minutes on one hand when I am not thinking on His name in some way or other and yet when I look in the mirror I see a person that makes me wonder what he actually really does believe.I shudder at the thought that I am still capable of acting as though He were of no consequence.God help me.I think I 'get' John 6:29 and all I can utter is "Lord I believe,help thou my unbelief"!

I simply have no time for departed saints,angels,Mary etc etc.All the time I have will never be enough to fully comprehend/grasp/take hold on/understand what has been given to me by Jesus Christ!...and He Himself tells us plainly that it is THE "work of God" to do exactly that!

This is not entry to an exclusive country club (indeed it's much more!)but rather a RESCUE and God's Word makes it plain that it's ALL about Jesus Christ! For the sake of our souls we had better 'get' that.

248 posted on 09/26/2013 9:28:12 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: mlizzy; jodyel; smvoice; mitch5501
Oh well, I did try..

Angels are certainly covered in the Scriptures, but not in the way the Roman Catholic doctrine would make you think. The purpose of Angels is not for lifting up or venerating, as you would say. The Roman Catholic doctrine concerning saints is just as unfounded. Even with Mary, they all become objects of veneration. But, you would say, veneration is not worship. It is time to puke again! Once again, the definition of “is” becomes confused. The very word is interchangeable and reflects on the premise being wrong.

1615–25; < Latin venerātus, past participle of venerārī to solicit the goodwill of (a god), worship, revere, verbal derivative of vener-, stem of venus, presumably in its original sense “desire”; see Venus)

Trying does not earn you a special place with God. Praying to dead people does not earn you a special entry before the throne. Lighting candles can only make fumes and heat. All of the ritual and rote on display within the Roman Catholic camp are useless and serve no purpose other than occupying your attention and focus. The pretension of it is enough to make someone wonder how it came about. There is a very simple answer. Come out of the darkness and into the light offered through Christ, not some human organization based in Rome.

Titus 3: 3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.

9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 11 You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.

249 posted on 09/27/2013 12:43:20 AM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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To: WVKayaker
Trying does not earn you a special place with God. Praying to dead people does not earn you a special entry before the throne...All of the ritual and rote on display within the Roman Catholic camp are useless and serve no purpose other than occupying your attention and focus.
Little kids "try" all the time, and a good Christian mom would recognize this effort, thanking her young one for the little flower that is fresh picked especially for her. And if the saints truly brought people away from Christ, all those enlightened by their love for Him would be empty people, yet they are not, and in fact, sometimes are saints-in-the-making as well.

I also find inspiring, politicians who are Christians, especially Catholic Christians. This is from a book review on Bobby Jindal's Leadership and Crisis.
Raised by devout Hindu parents, as a pre-teen Jindal began to question things when his best friend Kent told Bobby he would miss him when he was in heaven and Jindal was in hell. By his sophomore year in high school, Jindal needed answers, so he dusted off the Bible that Kent gave him and read the Good Book from beginning to end. As remarkable as that feat was for a sixteen-year-old, the fact that he read the entire Old and New Testament in his closet with a flashlight (so as not to arouse his folks' ire that he might be changing faiths) makes it all the more amazing. "I was probably the only teenager in Baton Rouge who told his parents he was going to a party so he could sneak off to church" (pg. 48-49), joked Jindal, but when Bobby asked God to give him a sign that Jesus was indeed "The Way," and the Lord instead gave him two...Jindal became convinced that a conversion to Catholic Christianity was not only the way to salvation, but a guidepath for all the policies he would decide on earth as well. --Tom O'Toole
Earlier on [describing a college "prayer session" for his best friend, Susan], this from Jindal:
Strangely, I found myself repeating the Hail Mary until it became a chant. Being a recent convert to Catholicism, I had yet to accept the Catholic doc­trines concerning Mary and considered any form of Marian devotion to be idolatry. Though I had never before prayed a Hail Mary in my life, I suddenly found myself incapable of any other form of prayer. Somehow, Mary's intercessions allowed me to find peace during that long night; I knew that I had sur­vived the worst and that I would exit with my faith intact. It terrified me to recall how close I came to turning away from Christ out of fear... --Bobby Jindal
"And coming to her, he said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you." --Luke 1:28

250 posted on 09/27/2013 5:29:52 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: SkyPilot

Exactly!


251 posted on 01/23/2014 10:55:27 AM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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