When Were Joseph and Mary Married?

Catholic Answers ^ | September 20, 2013 | Tim Staples

[Salvation]

Plus the wind is mentioned — Holy Spirit

[Salvation]

And I have always thought of the light behind the first darkness as Christ.

[lasereye]

I think you mean after the birth of Jesus.

According to the argument advanced in this article, they would have had to vow to live as brother and sister before the birth of Jesus. So St. Joachim and St. Anne, whoever they are, then contradict this article. But I guess it doesn't really matter, you just pick whatever theory, tradition etc. you want.

[Iscool]

For those who are not convinced “betrothed” equals “married” for Mary and Joseph; fortunately, the Bible makes this quite clear. If we move forward in time from the “annunciation” of Luke 1 to Matthew 1 and St. Joseph’s discovery of Mary’s pregnancy, we find Matthew 1:18 clearly stating Mary and Joseph were still “betrothed.” Yet, when Joseph found out Mary was “with child,” he determined he would “send her away privately” (vs. 19). The Greek verb translated in the RSVCE to send away is apolusai, which means divorce. Why would Joseph have to divorce Mary if they were only engaged?

The extreme deception the Catholic religion will go thru to pervert the scriptures for the purpose of fooling its own Catholics is beyond comical...It is hilarious...

Does the word mean divorce??? It could...It could also mean:

ἀπολύω
apoluō
ap-ol-oo'-o
From G575 and G3089; to free fully, that is, (literally) relieve, release, dismiss (reflexively depart), or (figuratively) let die, pardon, or (specifically) divorce: - (let) depart, dismiss, divorce, forgive, let go, loose, put (send) away, release, set at liberty.

To pick a word out of the middle of all those and claim it has to be that word is ridiculous...

Further, the angel then tells Joseph:

Do not fear to take Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit . . . When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him; he took his wife (vss. 20-24).

Unfortunately for Catholics, the scriptures do not end where they tell you guys they end...Here's the rest of the story...

Mat 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

Joseph did not take his wife...He took unto him his wife...They were not together before that...

Contrary to what the Catholic religion tells you, a betrothal is the promise of a wedding...A wedding is not a ceremony other than exchanging money or animals or both...The wedding is a party with tons of guests and food which is a public display that the betrothal has come to fruition and sexual intercourse consummates the marriage...

So look again...

Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

While they were living separately, Mary gets pregnant...That's clear...

Luk 2:5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

Espoused means wife??? So Joseph was with his Wife Wife??? What kind of idiot would say espoused means wife???

Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

We can take everything the Catholics say about the issue and file it in the round file and instead, believe God...

[Salvation]

St Joachim and St. Anne were the parents of Mary. Read the link above that has the word “Traditional” in it.

[madison10]

So many of these “traditions” seem to only exist not to show that Jesus is Lord and Savior, but to prove that Mary was something or someone she is not—a savior or a step above human.

[Salvation]

Sorry == it was this one.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2754251/posts

[Iscool]

“Never be afraid of loving the Blessed Virgin too much. You can never love her more than Jesus did” St Maximilian Kolbe, Martyr who also ran a popular magazine focused on improving the culture, we sure could use that!

But you can love her more than you love Jesus and it's clear to me that that is the Catholic teaching and position...

[Iscool]

In this case, Mary’s parents, Joachim and Anna, were already elderly when she was born, which suggests that they died when she was still at a young age.

And Mary's brothers and sisters were all virgins til death as well and so was Anna...It ran in the family...

Anna loved German chocolate cake and fed it to the kids constantly...That's why Mary was an extremely chubby child...She grew up so chubby that her husband had to haul her around on a Donkey...

Just like yours, my story has no basis in fact either...

[madison10]

Where are the names of Mary”s parents even mentioned in the Bible? How did we get the story about Joseph being old and Mary’s and Joseph’s other children not being siblings of Jesus? It’s all made up.

[Iscool]

Different faith traditions can believe what they want to believe but the bottom line is we should respect the Holy Family and not cause pain to other believers who can’t or won’t accept the traditional teachings. I don’t think the two sides will ever come together over this.

There is no Holy Family and there aren't two sides...There's one side and it's not the Catholic corruption...

[editor-surveyor]

>> “It’s all made up.” <<

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We call that “Catholic” here.

Mary’s father was Joseph Ben Yakov; I don’t recall her mother being named.

[GeronL]

God & Jesus are holy, this “holy family” thing bugs me.

[Iscool]

Re=read the story of the Visitation again, please, and Elizabeth’s greeting to Mary, “How is this that the Mother of the Lord....”

You have been told this before...God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all referred to as Lord in the scriptures...Apparently you are not ambitious enough to look it up...

[Iscool]

So do you believe that Father, Son and Holy Spirit were present at the beginning of the World?

Gen_1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

He wasn't referring to me, myself, and I...

[Iscool]

God & Jesus are holy, this “holy family” thing bugs me.

It bugged Martin Luther too... :)

[boatbums]

You are aware, aren't you, that these writings are little more than a type of "propaganda" or imaginings of people who wanted the story of Jesus to compete with those of the pagan gods and goddesses of the times? If you read some of the outlandish things the Infancy Gospel of James, for example, says happened during Jesus' childhood, he comes across as little bully with a chip on his shoulder. I wouldn't put any stock in what these "extra-biblical" books have to say. Many can be read HERE.

[boatbums]

Could not tell you, I’m AG, and believe in the virgin birth, knowing Joseph was much older than Mary as he was already a master carpenter. Probably about 30 to her 12-13. And the angel who told him not to be afraid to take her to wife also told him to refrain from touching her until after Jesus’s birth. Scripture prophecy had to be fulfilled of virgin birth.

Except there is no reliable, objective source for what were the ages of Mary and Joseph. I completely accept the virgin birth of Jesus Christ. It was, after all, one of the major prophecies concerning the true Messiah:

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. (Isaiah 7:14)

That is why, when Mary was found to be with child before she and Joseph consummated their marriage, he sought to quietly put her away/divorce her since she could be executed for adultery if it was found out. He "moved up" the actual taking her to be his wife after the angel appeared to him in a dream explaining what had happened. And, yes, he did not "consummate" their marriage until after she had given birth to Jesus (He knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus. (Matt. 1:25)).

[Heart-Rest]

"God & Jesus are holy, this “holy family” thing bugs me."

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So, you don't believe that Mary and Joseph were holy?    Do you have some reason for that disbelief?     Does it say anywhere in the Bible that they were not holy?

Do you believe that there were apostles and prophets who were holy, like it says in Ephesians 3:4-5?    (If so, why can't you belief that the parents of Jesus were also holy?)    Here's that reference:

"When you read this you can perceive my insight into the mystery of Christ, which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;"    Ephesians 3:4-5

(I have to leave right now, but I'll try to check for your response some time after Mass tomorrow, if I get a chance.    I'd really like to know why you have so much trouble seeing the parent and foster parent of Our Lord and Our God, Jesus Christ, as being holy people.)

[boatbums]

Ruh, roh...you will be unleashing the hounds on you Catsrus! ;o)