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To: Dutchboy88
"[God doesn't use mind control. The Church doesn't use mind control. The Church proposes and we either freely embrace it or freely reject it.]"

Well said statement by the Pope. You don't believe in Free Will? God does not force anyone to do anything. They choose.

6 posted on 09/19/2013 5:22:12 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk

Don’t misunderstand what the Bible teaches about God’s sovereignty.

“It is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure” (Phil. 2: 13)

Sinners are free in a sense, but they are free only in the direction of sin.

“For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness” (Rom. 6:20).

A man can chose a religion, but he can’t chose Christ, not in a saving sense. Salvation isn’t by genetics, and it’s not by human decision or choice, it’s by a miracle wrought in the human heart by the Holy Spirit. Salvation is by sovereign free grace. The best thing that ever happened to me was when The Lord violated my “free will.”

” Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:13)

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)


12 posted on 09/19/2013 6:04:50 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: plain talk
"Well said statement by the Pope. You don't believe in Free Will? God does not force anyone to do anything. They choose."

Perhaps this is the wishful thinking your organization holds. As with many other traditions it promotes, this view does not comport with the Scriptures.

Prov. 21:1 "The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord; He turns it wherever He wishes.

Prov. 16:9 "The mind of man plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps.

There is nothing uncontrolled in the universe...

Prov. 16:33 "The lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the Lord.

Free will? Sorry. There are probably 100 more passages where free will is debunked. But, it requires one to read the text without the organizational glasses on. We have a God who really is God. Maybe the RCC should reconsider the god they worship...if they can.

48 posted on 09/20/2013 6:56:16 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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