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Pope Bluntly Faults Church’s Focus on Gays and Abortion
New York Times ^ | September 19, 2013 | Laurie Goodstein

Posted on 09/19/2013 8:46:24 AM PDT by Alter Kaker

Pope Francis, in the first extensive interview of his six-month-old papacy, said that the Roman Catholic church had grown “obsessed” with preaching about abortion, gay marriage and contraception, and that he has chosen not to speak of those issues despite recriminations from some critics.

In remarkably blunt language, Francis sought to set a new tone for the church, saying it should be a “home for all” and not a “small chapel” focused on doctrine, orthodoxy and a limited agenda of moral teachings.

“It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time,” the pope told the Rev. Antonio Spadaro, a fellow Jesuit and editor in chief of La Civiltà Cattolica, the Italian Jesuit journal whose content is routinely approved by the Vatican. “The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; francis; gay; homosexualagenda; pope; popefrancis
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1 posted on 09/19/2013 8:46:24 AM PDT by Alter Kaker
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To: Alter Kaker
I know this is the Slimes, but they are using direct quotes here, which are damning.
2 posted on 09/19/2013 8:48:23 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Non habemus papam.


3 posted on 09/19/2013 8:48:40 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Obsessed???? I haven’t heard a PEEP from a Priest for years and years!!!


4 posted on 09/19/2013 8:48:45 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Alter Kaker
“It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time,” the pope told the Rev. Antonio Spadaro, a fellow Jesuit and editor in chief of La Civiltà Cattolica, the Italian Jesuit journal whose content is routinely approved by the Vatican. “The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently..."

Ping for later

5 posted on 09/19/2013 8:49:20 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Alter Kaker

He has choosen to to talk about homosexuality, what?
Seems like he talks about it a lot.
If a church cannot talk about sin, doesn’t seem like they are much of a church.


6 posted on 09/19/2013 8:49:20 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: svcw

can’t we all just get along?

sarc


7 posted on 09/19/2013 8:51:07 AM PDT by silverleaf (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.)
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To: Alter Kaker
As I feared he would, he has doubled down.

There is no longer any safety in swimming the Tiber.

8 posted on 09/19/2013 8:51:17 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Hmmmm...maybe old St Malachy was right after all. I’m very quickly losing confidence in our new pope.


9 posted on 09/19/2013 8:52:21 AM PDT by pgkdan (Marco Rubio can go straight to hell!)
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To: Alter Kaker

I still consider Benedict XVI to be my pope.


11 posted on 09/19/2013 8:55:16 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Ann Archy
I haven’t heard a PEEP from a Priest for years and years!!!

Well, ours does (Latin Mass Priest) and the majority of priests in this state were outspoken against the new marriage perversion law. In addition they regularly speak of pro-life issues. THIS IS WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING and I have to wonder if St. Malachy is going to make a resurgence with respect to this pope!

Can the ill-translation apologists defend this one???

12 posted on 09/19/2013 8:55:55 AM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
I still consider Benedict XVI to be my pope.

Yes, I was a little rough on Cardinal Ratzinger on another thread for some of his statements on Fatima but as pope, he did and does lead my church.

13 posted on 09/19/2013 8:59:00 AM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Alter Kaker
“It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time,”
Pope sounds harangued by the Liberal MSM and is attempting an end run around them.
14 posted on 09/19/2013 9:02:39 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.


15 posted on 09/19/2013 9:04:18 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Don't blame me for McCain.)
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To: Alter Kaker

I can’t remember the last time I heard ANYTHING about homosexuals, contraception, or abortion from the Pulpit. It’s been many years, if not decades.

All I hear is ‘social justice’ and ‘fairness’ to the (illegal) immigrant and redistribution of wealth and how the nation’s ills are caused by ‘fat cats’ on Wall St. while giving no consideration to the corruption in government.

He must be referring to European churches.


16 posted on 09/19/2013 9:08:46 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Those who "promote" abortion and sodomy should be rebuked and put out of the church. This isn't a starting point but only after the person is shown the error of their ways. Politicians in the US particularly thumb their nose at church doctrine and they continue to "fellowship" even though they are living in darkness.

17 posted on 09/19/2013 9:09:19 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals crazy!)
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To: Alter Kaker
Let's treat the NY Slimes with typical FR disdain, and ignore what is outside the quotes.
The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently.

“We have to find a new balance, otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel.”

Puts things in a different light, doesn't it? Regardless, the pope is speaking of how best to address these issues pastorally. The Church's position regarding the nature of abortion and sodomy remains unchanged. Catholics may disagree with the pope's pastoral opinions.
18 posted on 09/19/2013 9:09:52 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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Wow. I am not a Catholic, I am a Lutheran (LCMS). However, I must say this: The reason the catholic (universal) church is talking so much about homosexuality etc. is not because we are obsessed, it is because we must defend against heresies.

When Arius proposed his idea of the Trinity, Athanasius and others “OBSESSED” about the nature of the Trinity. Same for the two natures of Christ.

If Christians are obsessed with anything, it is with preserving the truth and fighting against falsehood.

The Roman Catholics are not obsessed with homosexuality, abortion, and contraception: its opponents are. The Catholics are just defending against it—constantly, because they are being attacked constantly.

It’s the same for all churches that believe that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant Word of God. We aren’t obsessed. The world is. We are just refuting the world.

By the way, my browser spell check suggested I replace Athanasius with “euthanasia.” Not quite, spell checker, not quite.


19 posted on 09/19/2013 9:09:53 AM PDT by Conservaliberty (Everything is racist. Don't agree? That's because you're racist. /s)
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To: MichaelCorleone
All I hear is ‘social justice’ and ‘fairness’ to the (illegal) immigrant and redistribution of wealth and how the nation’s ills are caused by ‘fat cats’ on Wall St. while giving no consideration to the corruption in government.

I know those kinds of homilies exist but I have never heard a single one of them. YMMV. Starting to think we are really, really blessed with this little Latin Mass here.

20 posted on 09/19/2013 9:11:28 AM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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