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To: metmom
Kennedy? Chavez? Pelosi? Mafia hit men? Really? They're all going to heaven because they've been born again? If they were born again, where is the changed life to testify to it?

while Catholics are , indeed, born again, it is everyones prerogative to reject Christ's gifts, some of them do, most don't. You don't judge the character of a church by pointing out they some of her members are idiots.

353 posted on 09/19/2013 8:00:52 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: terycarl
while Catholics are , indeed, born again, it is everyones prerogative to reject Christ's gifts, some of them do, most don't. You don't judge the character of a church by pointing out they some of her members are idiots

Seems there was an Apostle who in fact did judge a church and gave it considerable chastening because of the behavior tolerated of some of it's members. His name was Paul. BTW was Paul Catholic? No. He states as much in Galatians ch 1.

Pauls comments in 1 Corinthians Chapter 5 is an ear burner. If the church refuses to cast them out then yes the church involved is to be judged.

9When I wrote to you before, I told you not to associate with people who indulge in sexual sin. 10But I wasn’t talking about unbelievers who indulge in sexual sin, or who are greedy or are swindlers or idol worshipers. You would have to leave this world to avoid people like that. 11What I meant was that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian£ yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler. Don’t even eat with such people. 12It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your job to judge those inside the church who are sinning in these ways. 13God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.”£

This applies to all churches BTW. That's pretty straight forward. The ones that were mentioned should not have been allowed through the doors. Why? Because by being members of the church and yet sinning deliberately they do bring shame upon the church. IOW They know better and do otherwise yet claim to be a member of the church.

Because church members and leaders are not casting out ones who support abortion, gay marriage , etc our nation is in deep trouble. They have already given the devil control of our government and the churches are next.

383 posted on 09/19/2013 11:30:28 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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