Posted on 09/17/2013 7:01:19 AM PDT by Gamecock
Well said.
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Some of that sounds like LDS or Scientology....
How do people become “future rulers of the universe”??
That is not Christian
Look in the back of The Book.
The ruler of the universe is God. Period.
In Revelation 20, the tribulation saints reign with Christ over the earth for 1000 years. Having said that, I’ve not read this article and thus can’t comment on it’s contents.
Revelation 20:4
English Standard Version (ESV)
4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Excellent!
I would ask Mr. Moore what the role of Israel and the Jews will be in the end times.
I wonder what his opinion is about the “Palestinians” and the status of Jerusalem?
He speaks some truth, but is very selective about the subject matter he addresses, and shies away from the specifics by mouthing platitudes so as not to offend. He is much too polite.
I have seen that the SBC really does not take a stand on Israel and the Jews.
Is it anti-Semitism? Maybe it’s just a part of leaving that stance up to the individual churches.
It’s a pretty important subject, and should be an important part of church doctrine.
Mrs. AV
GeronL, if you look at 2 Timothy 2:12, there is a very direct reference to reigning with Him. Apart from Revelations, it’s a common theme in the Pauline literature. It’s a reigning through participation which God allows due to faithfulness. It is very much a Christian concept. But, of course, God ultimately reigns over all of creation.
Actually, GeronL, that IS Christian. Not only does St. Paul speak of it, but it’s mentioned in the book of Revelation. Yes, Jesus is the ultimate Lord of the universe, but all believers will one day rule and reign with him in the Thousand Years after Christ’s return to judge the earth. Even St. Paul says, “Do you not realize that we will judge the angels?” in I Corinthians 6:3. And in others of his letters to the churches St. Paul talks about us ruling and reigning with Christ. And this is what Mr. Moore was referring to.
Very thought provoking and timely words. Thanks for posting this.
(Shery’s daughter here.) I think you may be missing the point of what Mr. Moore is talking about and who he is addressing. I’m not a Baptist, so I don’t really know what the SBC’s position is on Israel. But Mr. Moore is not addressing the issues of Israel or the overall end times. He is speaking to the SBC about where they have been as a church in our culture in America. Here he is simply addressing American Christians in light of the concern in America and among American Christians as to what is happening in the U.S. and the decline of what has been considered to be a “Christian Nation”. As a nation, we are not really considered a Christian nation any more, and many American Christians feel we are losing our voice in America. He is addressing this issue and how American Christians should see this as an opportunity to see how we need to change our focus and get it back on Christ - be real about our own sins and the sins of our churches - get real with God about ourselves and about having a real relationship with Him. As a nation, we prided ourselves on being “Christian” - but this included a lot of people who called themselves Christians simply because they were Americans, even though many weren’t actually real Christians. Now people are not doing that any more. Non-believers are admitting that they aren’t Christians. This is what he’s talking about. And he says that this is the chance for real Christians to be true salt and light. We’re supposed to be different from our culture. This is the chance for churches in America to take inventory of themselves and see if they really are in the faith too. It’s a time for churches to really examine themselves before God - for Christians to see if they really are Christians. And if they are, to be unafraid to make that claim, even if it costs them everything.
We don’t need to take a stand on Israel officially. We don’t need to.
It is quite clear to us what role Israel plays on the world stage.
Well, Paul (dead human mortal) is not the one I follow it is Jesus
Your response illustrates the lukewarm stance of the SBC on the subject of Israel.
Why no need to take an official stance on Israel? God sure does.
What role does Israel play in the end times in your belief?
I agree with what you are saying. I actually cannot argue with what Mr. Moore says here. I am a believer in Christ the Messiah. My problem is with Russell Moore.
If you read about the man and his history, you may begin to see that he has an agenda, and that is to politically liberalize Southern Baptists. He is an adherent of a social justice type gospel which is used in modern Christian circles to dilute the message of the Gospel. He has a history that is out there and the SBC, in response to some white guilt, placed him as a public voice in order to increase their membership. That is my opinion.
Here is a link to an interview he did with the Washington Post:
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-07-18/local/40643396_1_trayvon-martin-religious-liberty-chaplains
As painful as it may be, the Church seems to prosper best when it is suffering persecution.
Not that I WANT to be persecuted, mind you!
You may be right on that. I’ll have to look at the link you provided. I’m totally ignorant of SBC or any Baptist leaders, since I’m an Anglican myself. Although, that being said, I’m extremely choosey about which Anglican/Episcopal churches I attend, since our denomination has become utterly apostate in so many ways. I’ll read that link you sent. What you said about him sounds very interesting to me so far. Thanks for sharing!
Just some scripture references besides the ones where St. Paul refers to the saints (”saint” meaning “believers redeemed by God”, not meaning persons codified by the liturgical churches) reigning in God’s kingdom:
Old Testament Daniel 7:18, 22, & 27 speaks of the saints taking possession of the kingdom, in a manner meaning to rule.
Revelation 3:21 where Jesus Himself spoke in St. John’s vision of the end of days, to the 7 churches, revealing to John that those who overcome will be given the right to sit with Him (Jesus) on His throne. Sitting on the throne refers to sharing with Him in His reign - and that’s not my personal interpretation.
Revelation 22:5 where it is revealed to this same John that the saints will reign with Christ forever and ever.
Revelation 5:9-10 where it is again revealed to John that the saints will reign with Christ forever
Revelation 2:26-27 where once again, Jesus Himself, in speaking to the 7 churches says that those who overcome in this life He will them power over the nations, to rule and reign, just as He received this power to rule the nations from His Father (God the Father).
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