[matthewrobertolson]

When jodyel tells you that heavenly saints can't hear us, know that jodyel is totally wrong. But, of course, you two (who probably actually read the original post, unlike so many people on this thread) already know that.

Here's something that you can bring up (and it's something that a lot of these people keep ignoring):

The saints can hear us, by the grace of God.

Luke 15:10 says that “there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” So, obviously, the angels know what’s going on here on earth.

Luke 20:35-36 teaches us that those that are “[resurrected] from the dead” (aka those that reach Heaven) “are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.” This indicates that the angels and heavenly saints are generally equal. So, it seems that Luke 15:10 would also apply to the heavenly saints.

[jodyel]

No, matthew, they cannot.

No amount of scriptural gymnastics will ever lead anyone to that conclusion.

It is clear that you want your Catholic church and not Jesus.

I leave you to your dead faith with your dead saints. May God bring you to the truth.

[ealgeone]

So, it seems that Luke 15:10 would also apply to the heavenly saints.

So “it seems” is now authority. That sounds a lot like speculation to me. Pretty weak thought process.