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To: aMorePerfectUnion
"Not if they followed the Bible... no cathedrals appear. Not in Apostolic teaching. Not in history until hundreds of years later."

From what I see, you did not get a legitimate response to your very important observation. The cathedral problem is indicative of how far this organization wandered away from Apostolic teaching.

37 posted on 09/13/2013 10:44:28 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
The cathedral problem is indicative of how far this organization wandered away from Apostolic teaching.

Imagine trying to have a sermon on the mount...

Draft EIS, permits, parking, porta potties, etc.

You want to feed the crowd what? Loaves and fishes? Are these being handled by state licensed caterers? The Health Department needs to inspect the facilities, WHAT!!!??? Baskets! Are you nuts?

Just stay calm, buddy, you're who? ('Louie, better call for backup, we've got a live one here.')

Unfortunately, in our wonderfully (/sarc) civilized world, things have been a tad overcomplicated, by popular demand.

It helps to have a building.

47 posted on 09/13/2013 12:44:06 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Dutchboy88; aMorePerfectUnion
From what I see, you did not get a legitimate response to your very important observation.

My response was indeed a legitimate response to a post whose content betrays an ignorance of the definition of the word "cathedral", a confusion which can be cleared up with the use of a dictionary. But since the word, "dictionary" is nowhere to be found in the Bible, I figured that they could not be used. Come to think of it, the word "Bible" is nowhere to be found in the Bible, so I guess the Bible is off limits too. Dang, this is getting complicated. I'll try to guide through this patch of weeds.

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And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
~ Matthew 4:23 (King James Version)
A synagog is Jewish place of worship. * Jesus went to synagog, as did the early Christians. Are you with me so far?

* Synagogs were also used for other ancillary purposes.

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A church is Christian place of worship. The word "church" comes from the Greek, kyriak-ós/-ē/-ón, meaning "belonging, or pertaining, to a Kýrios" ("Lord").
So the difference between a synagog and a church is that one is Jewish, and the other Christian. One could say that in general, a synagog is a Jewish church, and a church is a Christian synagog. They are not entirely equal except in the area that we are discussing: they are both places of worship, but labeled through different languages.

So churches do indeed appear in the Bible, they were just referred to by a different name by the early Christians who were breaking away from their Jewish brethren.

Now, if you are going to say the churches the early Christians worshiped in, which were often houses bought in community and converted to meeting places, were not legitimate because they are not mentioned as such in the Bible, then we might as well end the discussion right here, because logic cannot prevail against such stubborn silliness. But if you acknowledge the legitimacy of churches in Christian worship, read on, Garth.

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Now, here's where the dictionary comes in.

A cathedral is a church.

Yes, Virginia, a cathedral is a church. Specifically, a church which contains the seat of the bishop. If you object to the concept of a bishop, it presents another wonderful opportunity to consult the dictionary and other non-biblical reference resources.

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Where I think the confusion comes in is the fact that in the minds of the uneducated, the word "cathedral" means big ostentatious (dictionary opportunity) building, which it sometimes does.

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Now if you will excuse me, I'm late for my Mary-worshiping meeting. Oh, and you're welcome.

97 posted on 09/13/2013 8:15:12 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Don't blame me for McCain.)
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