[editor-surveyor]

>> “Maybe here is where we delve into semantics, but I the law is indeed what, as Christians we should strive for. And every single time we fall short we need to look back at the Cross.” <<

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I think that is what Yeshua meant when he said that he writes the law on our hearts, but what about when someone falls into deliberately and habitually disobeying his commandments? (I don’t mean out of ignorance)

[HarleyD]

I think that is what Yeshua meant when he said that he writes the law on our hearts, but what about when someone falls into deliberately and habitually disobeying his commandments? (I don’t mean out of ignorance)

I see it as two types of sin. There is the sin of Adam (willful disobedience) and Eve (willfully giving in to deception). A true Christian has a new heart and spirit. A Christian cannot be willfully disobedient as Adam was:

Tit_1:16 They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.

Tit_3:3 For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another.

Disobedient in the broad sense is used for unbelievers.

OTOH, we can be deceived:

Rom_7:11 For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me.

1Ti_2:14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.

I don't believe this deception is totally out of ignorance just like Eve's wasn't out of total ignorance. It is our lusts that drives it, the desires of the flesh, the eyes, and the pride of life. It is true sin on our part for which we need to repent. And we must always be on guard against the deception of the heart.

But those who have obtain grace from God the Father find themselves in David's situation with the sin of Uriah. God will past judgment but spare our lives. And David went on to write some of the most beautiful psalms afterwards.

[metmom]

I think that is what Yeshua meant when he said that he writes the law on our hearts, but what about when someone falls into deliberately and habitually disobeying his commandments? (I don’t mean out of ignorance)

I think at that point, He knows our frame, He remembers that we are dust.

Not trying to be insulting here, but this almost sounds like the kind of arguments the Catholics use. That is that by deliberating we are choosing to reject God.

Choosing to deliberately sin is not inconsequential, but I do not believe that it by default equates to choosing to reject Christ's gift of salvation. It certainly is a slap in the face of God, and will be answered for, but I do not believe that it costs the believer his or her salvation.