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Francis: War is Always a Defeat for Humanity (100,000+ attend Vatican vigil)
Vatican Radio ^ | September 7, 2013

Posted on 09/07/2013 2:27:28 PM PDT by NYer


People attend a prayer calling for peace in Syria leaded by Pope Francis in Saint Peter's square at the Vatican September 7, 2013. Pope Francis has invited people of all faiths to join a day of fasting and prayer to call for an end to the conflict in Syria on Saturday. REUTERS/Tony Gentile


Vatican City, 7 September 2013 (VIS) – More than a hundred thousand people gathered in St- Peter's Square this evening in response to Pope Francis' appeal during last Sunday's Angelus in which he convoked for today, 7 September, a day of fasting and prayer for peace, in the light of the dramatic circumstances which have engulfed Syria. Since then, this initiative has been welcomed and applauded not only by Catholics and other Christian confessions, but also by those belonging to other religions, from Buddhists to Jews and Muslims, and even those who do not belong to any religion. This week has seen extensive mobilisation on the part of parishes and associations, Caritas and the Community of St. Egidio, prayer groups and religious orders such as the Descalced Carmelites of the Holy Land, mayors and presidents of autonomous regions, organisations for peace, co-operation and development, unions, and so on. Many prominent figures have joined in with the initiative, such as the architect Renzo Piano, the president of the European Parliament Martin Schulz and the Grand Mufti of Syria, spiritual leader of the Sunnis, who invoked peace this afternoon in the Ummayad Mosque, Damascus, with the nation's religious leaders. A prayer for peace was raised this afternoon in Catholic churches around the world, from Australia to Egypt.

The Square was crowded with people since the morning; among them there were many who wished to confess, from 5.45 onwards, to one of the fifty priests in the Constantine Wing and below the colonnade; Francis wanted confessors to be present on this day as “true peace is born of the human heart reconciled with God and with one's brothers”. At 18.30, the words uttered by the Pope last Sunday were repeated as an introduction to the Vigil which began at 7 p.m. with a greeting from the Pope and the singing of the “Veni Creator”, followed by the enthroning of the image of the Virgin as “Salus Populi Romani”, carried by four Swiss Guards.

The Pope began by praying the Rosary; each mystery was accompanied by the reading of a poem by St. Therese of Lisieux about the child Jesus, and at the end he invoked Maria: “Queen of Peace, pray for us”. He then pronounced the following homily:

'And God saw that it was good'. The biblical account of the beginning of the history of the world and of humanity speaks to us of a God who looks at creation, in a sense contemplating it, and declares: 'it is good'. This, dear brothers and sisters, allows us to enter into God’s heart and, precisely from within him, to receive his message. We can ask ourselves: what does this message mean? What does it say to me, to you, to all of us?

It says to us simply that this, our world, in the heart and mind of God, is the 'house of harmony and peace', and that it is the space in which everyone is able to find their proper place and feel 'at home', because it is 'good'. All of creation forms a harmonious and good unity, but above all humanity, made in the image and likeness of God, is one family, in which relationships are marked by a true fraternity not only in words: the other person is a brother or sister to love, and our relationship with God, who is love, fidelity and goodness, mirrors every human relationship and brings harmony to the whole of creation. God’s world is a world where everyone feels responsible for the other, for the good of the other. This evening, in reflection, fasting and prayer, each of us deep down should ask ourselves: Is this really the world that I desire? Is this really the world that we all carry in our hearts? Is the world that we want really a world of harmony and peace, in ourselves, in our relations with others, in families, in cities, in and between nations? And does not true freedom mean choosing ways in this world that lead to the good of all and are guided by love?

But then we wonder: Is this the world in which we are living? Creation retains its beauty which fills us with awe and it remains a good work. But there is also 'violence, division, disagreement, war'. This occurs when man, the summit of creation, stops contemplating beauty and goodness, and withdraws into his own selfishness.

When man thinks only of himself, of his own interests and places himself in the centre, when he permits himself to be captivated by the idols of dominion and power, when he puts himself in God’s place, then all relationships are broken and everything is ruined; then the door opens to violence, indifference, and conflict. This is precisely what the passage in the Book of Genesis seeks to teach us in the story of the Fall: man enters into conflict with himself, he realizes that he is naked and he hides himself because he is afraid, he is afraid of God’s glance; he accuses the woman, she who is flesh of his flesh; he breaks harmony with creation, he begins to raise his hand against his brother to kill him. Can we say that from harmony he passes to 'disharmony'? Can we say this: that from harmony he passes to 'disharmony'? No, there is no such thing as 'disharmony'; there is either harmony or we fall into chaos, where there is violence, argument, conflict, fear.

It is exactly in this chaos that God asks man’s conscience: “Where is Abel your brother?” and Cain responds: 'I do not know; am I my brother’s keeper?'. We too are asked this question, it would be good for us to ask ourselves as well: Am I really my brother’s keeper? Yes, you are your brother’s keeper! To be human means to care for one another! But when harmony is broken, a metamorphosis occurs: the brother who is to be cared for and loved becomes an adversary to fight, to kill. What violence occurs at that moment, how many conflicts, how many wars have marked our history! We need only look at the suffering of so many brothers and sisters. This is not a question of coincidence, but the truth: we bring about the rebirth of Cain in every act of violence and in every war. All of us! And even today we continue this history of conflict between brothers, even today we raise our hands against our brother. Even today, we let ourselves be guided by idols, by selfishness, by our own interests, and this attitude persists. We have perfected our weapons, our conscience has fallen asleep, and we have sharpened our ideas to justify ourselves. As if it were normal, we continue to sow destruction, pain, death! Violence and war lead only to death, they speak of death! Violence and war are the language of death!

After the chaos of the Flood, when it stopped raining, a rainbow appeared and the dove returned with an olive branch. I think also of the olive tree which representatives of various religions planted in Plaza de Mayo, in Buenos Aires, in 2000, asking that there be no more chaos, asking that there be no more war, asking for peace.

And at this point I ask myself: Is it possible to walk the path of pace? Can we get out of this spiral of sorrow and death? Can we learn once again to walk and live in the ways of peace? Invoking the help of God, under the maternal gaze of the Salus Populi Romani, Queen of Peace, I say: Yes, it is possible for everyone! From every corner of the world tonight, I would like to hear us cry out: Yes, it is possible for everyone! Or even better, I would like for each one of us, from the least to the greatest, including those called to govern nations, to respond: Yes, we want it! My Christian faith urges me to look to the Cross. How I wish that all men and women of good will would look to the Cross if only for a moment! There, we can see God’s reply: violence is not answered with violence, death is not answered with the language of death. In the silence of the Cross, the uproar of weapons ceases and the language of reconciliation, forgiveness, dialogue, and peace is spoken. This evening, I ask the Lord that we Christians, and our brothers and sisters of other religions, and every man and woman of good will, cry out forcefully: violence and war are never the way to peace! Let everyone be moved to look into the depths of his or her conscience and listen to that word which says: Leave behind the self-interest that hardens your heart, overcome the indifference that makes your heart insensitive towards others, conquer your deadly reasoning, and open yourself to dialogue and reconciliation. Look upon your brother’s sorrow – I think of the children, look upon these - look upon your brother's sorrow, and do not add to it, stay your hand, rebuild the harmony that has been shattered; and all this not by conflict but by encounter! May the noise of weapons cease! War always marks the failure of peace, it is always a defeat for humanity. Let the words of Pope Paul VI resound again: 'No more one against the other, no more, never! ... war never again, never again war!'. 'Peace expresses itself only in peace, a peace which is not separate from the demands of justice but which is fostered by personal sacrifice, clemency, mercy and love'. Forgiveness, dialogue, reconciliation – these are the words of peace, in beloved Syria, in the Middle East, in all the world! Let us pray for reconciliation and peace, let us work for reconciliation and peace, and let us all become, in every place, men and women of reconciliation and peace! Amen”.

Following the Pope's words, a moment of silence was observed during the preparation of the altar for the exposition of the Holy Sacrament. The adoration was accompanied by a biblical reading on the theme of peace, followed by the Pope's prayer on this subject and a responsorial invocation as a plea for peace. At the end of each of those moments, five pairs of people, representing Syria, Egypt, the Holy Land, the United States and Russia, placed incense in the censer to the right of the altar. This offering was accompanied by a series of invocations on the common theme of peace, including: “Lord of life, bring to us your peace, to where the fate of nations is decided” and “Stop, with your creative power, all violence against human life”.

The adoration was followed by the reading - “in the longest form planned for the celebration of a vigil” - of the Gospel of St. John. Then, from around 10.15 to 10.40 p.m., there was a long period of silence for personal prayer.

At the conclusion of the ceremony, Pope Francis imparted his Eucharistic blessing to those present. Today, the Pope wrote to his nine million followers on Twitter, “Pray for peace”.


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To: narses

“Nope. But if you want to believe that go ahead.”

You REALLY believe there are only 2 choices in the world?

What was your opinion on the Catholic Church and GWB & Iraq? Do you support the Catholic Church on illegal immigration?


81 posted on 09/07/2013 10:05:03 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: fwdude

Read “Revelation again.” It does end with war but with a final victory over temptation and death.


82 posted on 09/07/2013 10:50:39 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Mr Rogers

Every war is a failure for mankind? Does it mean nothing to you that Jesus, unlike Mohammed, did not come as a warrior? That he died at the hands of Roman soldiers who held the Jews in thrall. Pacifism may be a delusion, but only because it ignores that some men are indeed determined to go to war and must therefore be opposed.


83 posted on 09/07/2013 10:58:41 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

The pope is perhaps remembering that after Bush went to war, he did nothing substantive to protect the ancient Christian communities in that state. Look at the result: those communities lie in ruins because of his his relative indifference. The irony is that many American Christians are more protective of the Jewish state than they are of the Christians who have lived in Syria since the time of Christ. Assad is a bad man, but at least under his rule, Christians will not be driven from their homes as they will be if the Islamists come into power.


84 posted on 09/07/2013 11:05:44 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Mr Rogers; narses; Oratam
The Pope has been muttering like a drunk fool.

Matthew 5:9

85 posted on 09/08/2013 4:56:32 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: Oratam
Satan was busy tonight. Based on the disgusting anti-Catholic posts on this and other threads this evening, I would say tonight's prayer and fasting has riled the Prince of this World.

Indeed. The prince of darkness sows seeds of confusion then reaps the bountiful harvest.

86 posted on 09/08/2013 5:07:35 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: RobbyS

Pacifism IS a delusion, and the Pope is a pacifist.

“Does it mean nothing to you that Jesus, unlike Mohammed, did not come as a warrior?”

Does it mean nothing to you that God has said He uses armies to accomplish His will, and that He has commanded war? Does it mean nothing that the Apostle Paul wrote that government has a role to play in restraining evil?

I’ve not said that EVERY war is right, and have already given examples of when I believe the US was wrong - Kosovo & now Syria. But unlike the Pope, who has bodyguards and who lives in protection by armed men, I believe that governments cannot exist unless they “provide for the common defense”. A nation that refuses to provide for the common defense would be rejecting its God-ordained role to create peace by restraining evil.

The Pope is a hypocrite. Let him refuse his bodyguards. Let him go to Syria, and walk unarmed and alone to tell both sides “Peace! Peace! God calls you to PEACE!”

heck, let the Pope walk alone in East St Louis late on a Friday night, talking to the groups of men he finds on the street. Then get ready to select a new pope...


87 posted on 09/08/2013 7:12:38 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: NYer; narses; Oratam

The Pope has been muttering like a drunk fool.

Matthew 5:9 (”“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.”)


Thank you for the compliment. Like millions of others in the US military, I have done my part to bring peace to the world (the fall of the Berlin Wall) and America (killing terrorists overseas).

Pacifists do not create peace. They enjoy the peace that others earn, and then condemn those who earned it for them.


88 posted on 09/08/2013 7:20:05 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: NYer

While not a Roman Catholic, I appreciate that in a timely manner, the Bishop of Rome, Pope Francis has made a religious call for peace in a land torn by war and that many people of good will have gathered with him to join in that call.

In our nation, we have a political leader that has not shown sensible leadership or been timely in his calls for state action in relation to the civil war in the blighted nation of Syria. Likewise many other political leaders have also failed.

While the Godly call to peace is not always something man can honor and Just War does exist, in times like these where warring parties are all vile, the choice between escalation and isolation of the conflict are simple to make.

The fact that the Roman Catholic denomination is not my denomination at this time does not separate me from the appreciation for its timely sensibility.


89 posted on 09/08/2013 8:28:47 AM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.)
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To: NYer

Indeed, NYer.

“Then Jesus saith to him: Put up again thy sword into its place: for all that take the sword shall perish with the sword.” Matt 26:52.

Just war does indeed exist, but its fruits are invariably rotten and the consequences are always - ALWAYS - to the detriment of humanity. To say otherwise is probably the height of ignorance. World War I and II caused the loss of two entire generations of European men and, many would argue, resulted in the secularization of Europe afterwards. Vietnam did the much of the same here, and bred the Baby Boomers into a generation of cynics. The human toll of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars has yet to be determined, but judging from many of the men and women who have come back tired, scarred, and often broken...well, you do the math.

War is like putting your hand into a fire: no matter the reason for doing it - be it an accident, or to save another person, or whatever other just cause - you WILL suffer the consequences of touching the flames. Anyone who thinks otherwise and sees war and violence as anything other than tragic consequences of our sinful nature is Satan’s brother in arms.


90 posted on 09/08/2013 8:56:09 AM PDT by HoosierDammit (St. Vincent de Paul, pray for us!)
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To: HoosierDammit

....”Seeing war and violence as anything other than tragic consequences of our sinful nature is Satan’s brother in arms”...

Will very much disagree with that statement....God Himself raised up the Nation Israel to take out (war) the “Stench” of sin that had “reached his ears”....it was those peoples doing the sin..not the sin of the Army raised to deal with them. God loves using people for His own purposes...and that is in war as well.

Sometimes you have to take out the bad guys....if God raised an army to do just that I have no problem removing the bad guys....even if it requires war...which more times than not prevents a much greater loss of life had God not intervened.


91 posted on 09/08/2013 9:21:15 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

By the way I oppose going to war in Syria.....they are all bad guys....let them continue to take each other out.


92 posted on 09/08/2013 9:23:25 AM PDT by caww
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To: Mr Rogers; Heart-Rest; HoosierDammit; red irish; fastrock; NorthernCrunchyCon; UMCRevMom@aol.com; ..

So what part of the Catholic “Just War” doctrine do you disagree with?

And how is attacking Syria - the attack “the drunk fool” is “muttering” about - in our national interest or in accord with the Laws of War?

Matthew 5:9 (”“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.”)


93 posted on 09/08/2013 9:23:39 AM PDT by narses
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To: Mr Rogers

“Pacifists do not create peace. They enjoy the peace that others earn, and then condemn those who earned it for them”...

Yes indeed.


94 posted on 09/08/2013 9:24:50 AM PDT by caww
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To: HoosierDammit

Are cops evil, when they ‘take up the sword’?

The fruit of war is NOT always rotten. You think WW2 was not worth winning? You think it would be good for the people of South Korea to suffer the way people in North Korea do? This is an interesting concept of morality, where the flourishing of evil is good and admirable, and government action to stop evil is...bad.

Every government in the world is ordained by God to provide for the common defense of its people, both internally (police) and externally (military). Some nations do that better than others, and the US track record is much better than almost any other country I can think of. It isn’t perfect, and I oppose going to war in Syria to protect Obama’s ego - but that is not the same as condemning ALL military action.

Neither you nor the Pope would be free to do anything, unless first protected by others willing to do violence in your defense.


95 posted on 09/08/2013 9:30:19 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: narses

“And how is attacking Syria - the attack “the drunk fool” is “muttering” about - in our national interest or in accord with the Laws of War?”

I’ve already written multiple times on this thread that I oppose the use of force in Syria. I condemn the Pope, not for questioning the use of force in Syria, but for attacking ALL military action, and denying all countries the right to use military force on behalf of their national interests.

The Catholic Church opposed the second Iraq war, where we killed uncounted thousands of terrorists, who answered the call to jihad and died at the hands of the US military in Iraq & Afghanistan, rather than waiting for them to come to the US and kill our people to advance Islam. IIRC, it opposed the first Gulf war, which liberated Kuwait and prevented the suffering that Saddam’s control of the major oil fields would have caused.

“There, we can see God’s reply: violence is not answered with violence, death is not answered with the language of death. In the silence of the Cross, the uproar of weapons ceases and the language of reconciliation, forgiveness, dialogue, and peace is spoken. This evening, I ask the Lord that we Christians, and our brothers and sisters of other religions, and every man and woman of good will, cry out forcefully: violence and war are never the way to peace! Let everyone be moved to look into the depths of his or her conscience and listen to that word which says: Leave behind the self-interest that hardens your heart, overcome the indifference that makes your heart insensitive towards others, conquer your deadly reasoning, and open yourself to dialogue and reconciliation. Look upon your brother’s sorrow – I think of the children, look upon these - look upon your brother’s sorrow, and do not add to it, stay your hand, rebuild the harmony that has been shattered; and all this not by conflict but by encounter! May the noise of weapons cease! War always marks the failure of peace, it is always a defeat for humanity. Let the words of Pope Paul VI resound again: ‘No more one against the other, no more, never! ... war never again, never again war!’.”

The Gospel includes the promise that Jesus WILL return, and He will destroy those who oppose Him. Judgment Day is what we are saved FROM, along with sin.

Your new Pope is a Flower-Power kind of guy. He cares more for John Lennon than the Apostle Paul. The peace Europe has enjoyed was bought and paid for with the blood of American & British soldiers. The peace South Korea has enjoyed came about because of the sacrifices of American & SK soldiers. Laws are obeyed in cities only because there are men & women willing to risk their lives to enforce those laws. A government that does not protect its people, at home and abroad, is an evil government that has rejected the role God has given it. And Flower-Power Francis isn’t going to protect or free anyone. He just sits far behind the front lines, and throws darts at the backs of those keeping him safe.


96 posted on 09/08/2013 9:48:12 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Mr Rogers; Heart-Rest; HoosierDammit; red irish; fastrock; NorthernCrunchyCon; UMCRevMom@aol.com; ..
In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Francis: War is Always a Defeat for Humanity (100,000+ attend Vatican vigil), Mr Rogers wrote:
Your new Pope is a Flower-Power kind of guy. He cares more for John Lennon than the Apostle Paul.
Well, there is your (rather ignorant) opinion. Sad.
97 posted on 09/08/2013 9:51:52 AM PDT by narses
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To: Mr Rogers

Second what narses said, this is NOT a flower-power person, but one who preaches Christ.


98 posted on 09/08/2013 12:58:21 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Mr Rogers

Post number 89 says it much better. What Pope Francis is saying simply is that you do not want to make a bad thing worse.


99 posted on 09/08/2013 1:01:27 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Mr Rogers

At least Bush was much better organized. But still, God Bless Pope Francis who is simply is warning against the dangers of a possible world war.


100 posted on 09/08/2013 1:03:01 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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