Posted on 09/05/2013 12:53:52 PM PDT by beaversmom
Oh, this should be good.
Oh, no it's not. It's like thinking watching a train wreck is great entertainment, except that not only does does the train take out your car and house, it also takes out the water and power for your area, and lets loose car loads of illegal aliens and other ne'er-do-wells free to loot and pillage, not to mention giving the powers that be yet another excuse to not only increase taxes, but impose new ones as well, effectively enslaving a formerly free country on the basis of a failed and false morality.
Altruism and a formal economic policy of using force and aggression to take from the rich and give to the poor the unearned, the undeserved, and something for nothing will end up making things worse for the poor in the long run.
Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan are the models of what nations need to do to cure poverty. They must start with a pro-business environment combined with austerity. Everyone must save rather than consume and use the savings to begin the process of capital accumulation.In addition to capital accumulation, there must be respect for private property, a rational culture, and technological progress.These requirements are the exact opposite of the marxism and socialism of liberation theology.
So, how much of this is true and how much is just journalistic bomb throwing?
Hate to say it, but Japan ain’t much of a model any more. Their deficit problems are worse than ours!
To quote John Bigboote
"It's not my planet. Understand, monkeyboy?"
If he`s really serious, Pope Francis should do an Anthony Quinn-
“Shoes of the Fisherman”
“ the Pope cedes all the church holdings to the poor and resumes the church’s mission in poverty...” NY times, 2010
Virtue Talks, BS Walks
Let the Catholic church divest itself of its holdings in Rome and give it all to the poor. Talk is cheap.
Perhaps, but when it's sined, seeled, and delivered, don't blame me when they come for your guns and money because some people insist on shooting themselves in their own feet.
The church has a preferential option for the poor . . . But its also always clarified that its not an exclusive option, or one that excludes anyone. The church must not assume Marxist categories, or class struggle.
Yet Liberation Theology, at its heart, is all about class struggle and Marxism. It is not legitimate theology even, it is simply Marxism disguised by a thin veneer that imitates theology. So, you can’t advocate for that and still denounce Marxism. You can’t serve two masters.
Sounds like a certain former apostle’s suggestion.
Above you see a photo from the launching of the book Taking the Side of the Poor - Liberation Theology (An der Seit der Armen - Theologie der Berfewuing) co-authored by Dominican Fr. Gustavo Gutierrez and Bishop Gerhard Ludwig Muller. The event took place in Regensburg in 2004 and was promoted by Augsburg Sankt Ulrich Verlag.
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A479-Muller-3.htm
"Müller was also a pupil of Gustavo Gutiérrez, the father of Latin-American liberation theology, with whom he has a long and close friendship.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3047023/posts?page=6#6
Peace Made Between Müller and Gutiérrez. But Bergoglio Isn't Falling For It
Sandro Magister - ROME, September 5, 2013
http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1350589?eng=y
On the Charismatic Renewal Movement- Pope Francis
At the end of the 70s, early 80s, I couldnt see them. I once said they must confuse liturgical celebration with samba lessons! Then I got to know them better and I was won over. I saw the work that they did and I said mass for them in Buenos Aires every year. I think movements are necessary; they are a gift from the Holy Spirit. The Church is free; the Holy Spirit does what it wants.
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/gmg-26831//pag/1/
You sound like Judas Iscariot whining about the cost of spikenard.
Is my take on this correct? The current Pope has a heart for the poor and wishes to see the Catholic Church help the poor. But he also understand the problems inherent in enforcing this vision through the hand of government. He may even believe that government is usually instrumental in oppressing the poor and that justice for the poor may involve economic liberty.
I have yet to hear him say that the solution to poverty is government spending.
Maybe it is wishful thinking but I hear a Pope who thinks it is our god given duty as Christian individuals and as a Christian church to help the poor. He does not seem to put his faith in the hands of government.
Based on this one must wonder if perhaps DU is the natural cyberhome for Roman Catholics? < /pondering>
Altruism is essential to Christian character and culture, but if followed consistently, would never lead to “compulsory altruism,” as Christian selfishness is necessarily voluntary. Rand’s objectivism is that blind squirrel that has found a few good acorns, but missed some essential truth as well. It is not the true opposite/antidote for Marxism. It is a variant of Nietszchean theory, and if implemented as ruthlessly as Marxism typically is, would merely lead to a different kind of distopia. There is no substitute for the Kingdom of Heaven.
There is no room for God , the Gospel , the Bible with "peoples theology" . This is just ANOTHER FALSE GOSPEL pushed by busybodies that want to make sure to get their cut
The Bible says if you don't work you don't eat:
(2 Thessalonians 3:10) For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
(2 Thessalonians 3:11) For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.
(2 Thessalonians 3:12) Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.
THE GOSPEL - God's salvation plan for mankind
http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?42-God-s-Salvation-Plan-for-Mankind
In most countries the government collects a tax for the Catholic Church from all Catholics in that country.
He is just looking to do it worldwide
Case in point: Bishops to the Left of Senate Dems on Immigration
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