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To: paladinan

yes, I am aware of Tetzel’s over reach and the Quid Pro Quo of masses for the dead.

The excesses aside, purgatory and indulgences are not found in the bible and only appear 700 - 1000 years after the resurrection.

“The very idea of Purgatory and the doctrines that are often attached to it (prayer for the dead, indulgences, meritorious works on behalf of the dead, etc.) all fail to recognize that Jesus’ death was sufficient to pay the penalty for ALL of our sins. Jesus, who was God incarnate (John 1:1,14), paid an infinite price for our sin. Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:3). Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for our sins (1 John 2:2). To limit Jesus’ sacrifice to atoning for original sin, or sins committed before salvation, is an attack on the Person and Work of Jesus Christ. If we must in any sense pay for, atone for, or suffer because of our sins – that indicates Jesus’ death was not a perfect, complete, and sufficient sacrifice.”

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/purgatory.html#ixzz2dICn01T0


401 posted on 08/28/2013 12:11:21 PM PDT by bkaycee (John 3:16)
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To: bkaycee; smvoice; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; blue-duncan; boatbums; Elsie
First, Joel Osteen is criticized by those whom Rome loses the most members by, that of evangelical churches, while the idea that their lack of knowledge of the "Eucharist" is the problem is absurd .

The reality is that they were taught this, but as is abundantly evidenced weekly, receiving it does not result in the manifest change correspondent to the claims made for it.

And most who leave Catholicism for evangelical churches do so due to the spiritual deficiency of Rome, and what she effectually teaches and fosters is liberalism, in contrast to the evangelical churches so-called "conservative" Rome treats as her enemy, nor her own liberal members whom she counts and treats as such in life and in death. For the preeminence of Rome is the real priority.

722 posted on 08/29/2013 5:48:20 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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