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To: metmom

I believe the original text of the Bible was in Greek and was then translated to the Latin. The Catholic Church preserved the original for all time until men tore chunks out of it. Our translation is based on the Greek original. We decided what the text of the Bible was, in accord with the Holy Spirit.

Oh, a passage on suffering: Romans 8: 16-17 we are heirs with Christ, if only we suffer with him. Phil 1: 28-29 granted to believe, also to suffer for him. Col 1:24 filling up what is lacking in Christ’s sufferings. Heb 12: 5-7 whom God loves, he disciplines. 1 Peter 2: 19-21 suffering equals grace and Jesus suffered as our example.

Gee, I guess Catholics do read the Bible, metmom. I’m glad I could find these passages for you since you seem unfamiliar with them.


1,390 posted on 09/01/2013 10:43:52 PM PDT by Melian ("Where will wants not, a way opens.")
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To: Melian
So Christ's work on the cross wasn't sufficient?

There are things suffering does. Paying for sins is not one of them. Only the shedding of blood can obtain forgiveness and forgiveness is the only way sin can be taken care of. It CANNOT be paid off because the wages of sin is death and we cannot pay that penalty.

Suffering produces character qualities in us.

Romans 5:1-5 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.

Suffering teaches us compassion for each other and gives us the ability to comfort others who are suffering.

2 Corinthians 1:5-7 For as we share abundantly in Christ's sufferings, so through Christ we share abundantly in comfort too. If we are afflicted, it is for your comfort and salvation; and if we are comforted, it is for your comfort, which you experience when you patiently endure the same sufferings that we suffer. Our hope for you is unshaken, for we know that as you share in our sufferings, you will also share in our comfort.

There is NOWHERE in Scripture, however, that teaches that suffering cleanses or purifies us from sin.

1,405 posted on 09/02/2013 9:35:54 AM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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