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To: CynicalBear

Sorry if I touched a nerve. This passage, Acts 15:8, pretty much reads the same way for Catholics in our Bible, the original text. As I said, we also believe the Holy Spirit comes to all of us, but to the Apostles and their successors in a special way: Jn 20:21, Jn 10:16, Jn 21:17, Eph 4:11, 1 Tim 3:1 and 8 and 5:17, Luke 10:16. We follow Scripture very closely and, as I said, we trace our Church leadership all the way back to the Apostles.

Are you denying that parts were deleted from the original Scripture text to form the King James bible?

I did not say Acts 15:8 was talking about Church leaders. You selected that verse to try to prove your point, but it doesn’t do so. Peter said that sentence in reference to the Gentiles. We also believe what Peter said there. As I stated before: the Spirit comes to all of us in different ways. The gifts of the Spirit are unique to each of us, as we know. But Christ set up a Church, as the Scripture I cited above shows. He prayed that the Church He built would stay united. See Eph 2:20. In Acts 1:20 we see the office of leadership passed on.

Of course, the most important thing is the Eucharist: we take Christ, and sacred Scripture literally; it is His Body and Blood. See 1 Cor 10:16 and 1 Cor 2:14 to 3:4. We always have believed this and always will. Phil 2:2.

If you go online and find the text of the original Scripture, you will see what I am saying is true. If you choose to read a version that some earthly King or disgruntled Priest or Billy Bob slashed parts out of, that’s your choice. I choose to read and believe the original, unedited, untampered with, Holy Spirit inspired, sacred Scripture. Not one men have made in their own image.

So, as I said, I am quite happy to be Catholic and be part of the one, united, true, Apostolic, universal, Christ-instituted and, therefore, holy Church. We have the fullness of faith. No parts have been deleted by mere men.

If you would like me to send you one of my parish bulletins showing that Catholics read and revere Scripture weekly, and are instructed to read scripture daily, private message me a safe and neutral address and I will mail you one.

Again, sorry if I touched a nerve. Perhaps it is a shock to know there are serious Catholics out there, reading their Bibles and loving God’s word? Oh, and by the way, we bow to the Sacred Scripture in Mass before and after each reading, and, before hearing the Gospel, we make the sign of the cross on our heads, lips, and hearts and pray the Gospel will always be on our minds, on our lips, and living within us. Did you know that? Catholics love the Bible as least as much as any other Christian denomination.

I would assert we love it most because we believe it as the Spirit inspired it to be written and we don’t presume to alter it in any way.


1,370 posted on 09/01/2013 8:48:24 PM PDT by Melian ("Where will wants not, a way opens.")
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To: Melian
If you go online and find the text of the original Scripture, you will see what I am saying is true. If you choose to read a version that some earthly King or disgruntled Priest or Billy Bob slashed parts out of, that’s your choice. I choose to read and believe the original, unedited, untampered with, Holy Spirit inspired, sacred Scripture. Not one men have made in their own image.

You've never seen the original a day in your life...It doesn't exist...They've even got you guys duped over that...

1,378 posted on 09/01/2013 9:25:58 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Melian; CynicalBear
If you go online and find the text of the original Scripture, you will see what I am saying is true. If you choose to read a version that some earthly King or disgruntled Priest or Billy Bob slashed parts out of, that’s your choice. I choose to read and believe the original, unedited, untampered with, Holy Spirit inspired, sacred Scripture. Not one men have made in their own image.

And yet the Catholic church uses what? The Latin Vulgate? A translation.

If the Catholic Bible is translated from the Vulgate, then it is a translation of a translation.

What original texts did the Catholic church use when it translated the Bible into English.

1,383 posted on 09/01/2013 9:35:18 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Melian; CynicalBear
I would assert we love it most because we believe it as the Spirit inspired it to be written and we don’t presume to alter it in any way.

Yeah, we all *know* that Catholics are better than everyone else. They tell us constantly.

1,384 posted on 09/01/2013 9:36:44 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Melian
>>Sorry if I touched a nerve.<<

A nerve? You had me laughing. The snide remark about “Obviously, the KJV of the Bible would downplay that” was so incredibly wrong.

>>As I said, we also believe the Holy Spirit comes to all of us, but to the Apostles and their successors in a special way.<<

Well, you can disagree with the Holy Spirit speaking through Peter all you want.

Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them All the rest of those verses you listed do NOTHING to change what Peter said in Acts 15:8.

>>We follow Scripture very closely<<

Now there is a statement that has been proven false innumerable times in these threads.

>>Are you denying that parts were deleted from the original Scripture text to form the King James bible?<<

Oh here we go with the apocrypha again. Let’s just let Paul explain what was in the Old Testament as scripture.

"Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? 2 Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God," (Rom. 3:1-2).

Guess what. NO apocrypha included. Not to mention even the many of the RCC church fathers didn’t recognize it as scripture. Jerome didn’t even translate it into Latin believed that the Jews recognized and established the proper canon of the Old Testament.

>>Peter said that sentence in reference to the Gentiles.<<

Um dude. We are all Gentiles. You surely aren’t suggesting the so called “magesterium” are the only Gentiles are you?

>>As I stated before: the Spirit comes to all of us in different ways.<<

Ok, you’re going to have to furnish scripture to prove that one.

>>The gifts of the Spirit are unique to each of us, as we know.<<

Now that’s a different subject. The gifts are different to each but not the Holy Spirit given to each. Again:

Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them >> In Acts 1:20 we see the office of leadership passed on.<<

No way does Acts 1:20 establish Apostolic succession other than replacing a lost episcope. An overseer or it could be the office of bishop or elder. No apostolic succession.

>> If you choose to read a version that some earthly King or disgruntled Priest or Billy Bob slashed parts out of, that’s your choice.<<

Nice try but the “original” as Paul explained in Romans was set by the Jews and proclaimed by Jesus and the apostles and had no apocrypha.

>>I would assert we love it most because we believe it as the Spirit inspired it to be written and we don’t presume to alter it in any way.<<

The RCC alread “altered” it by adding the apocrypha to what the Jews had already established as the Old Testament canon. Don’t deny what Paul said.

1,410 posted on 09/02/2013 10:33:50 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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