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To: CynicalBear; metmom; SoothingDave
Actually, since Jesus is the son of Mary, son of David (and Bathsheba), son of Abraham (and Sarah), son of Adam (and Eve), then yes, all of these people, and all those other people in the genealogies are ancestors of Our Lord in the flesh. Thus Mary is the mother of God, and the rest are grandparents, great-grand-parents, etc. etc. --- of God.

Why? Because Jesus is God.

That doesn't mean they are "sources of the Godhead" or "older than God" or 'gods' themselves, or quasi-supreme-beings or any such thing. They are just finite creatures, made of dust. Jesus is infinitely superior to them, by virtue of His God-nature. "The Lord said to My Lord, sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool." David, Christ our God's father (ancestor), calls Him Lord.

Jesus has human ancestors going all the way back to Genesis, where God told the serpent that there would be "enmity between you and the woman, between your seed and her seed" and we know who triumphs in the end!

So this is what you have to wrap your head around: that God is eternal, totally sovereign, the Creator of all things visible and invisible, including all human creatures, including of course all His ancestors, and that a human creature Mary, overshadowed by the power of the Holy Spirit, gave birth to a Son, who was (and is) God.

So that makes Abraham the Great43 Grandfather of God. Yet Jesus Christ, the Eternal Word of the Father, rightly says "Before Abraham came to be, I AM."

1,089 posted on 08/30/2013 6:35:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

If it weren’t for Christ’s miraculous participation in the creation in the full trappings of a human creature, none of this could have taken place.

Yes, it does read like a children’s story. But what would you expect from a God who wants us to push our “grown up” prides aside and come to Him in love like little children? Oh, to love God like a child. I’m learning that again more and more, and not even Sigmund Freud or all the psychoanalysts who went after him could possibly work such a miracle of dealing with a life gone so wrong as mine. There are so many principles we believed as a child, I think, that were actually correct. But due to sin, we lacked, however, the faith in a specific God with specific promises to be an anchor to these principles, to give them purpose and direction, and so the principles either got discarded or distorted.


1,098 posted on 08/30/2013 6:47:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; metmom; SoothingDave
>>So that makes Abraham the Great43 Grandfather of God.<<

No, it doesn’t.

I will repeat for you and others who may not have seen the post.

Mary is not the mother of God or David could be considered the Father of God.

“He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:” (Luke 1:32) “And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?” (Matt 12:23) “And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.” (Matt 15:22) “And, behold, two blind men sitting by the way side, when they heard that Jesus passed by, cried out, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou son of David.” (Matt 20:30) “And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.” (Matt 21:9) Christ Himself drew a line between the human nature and the eternal nature of Christ.

He also made it clear that God is not the son of David

“While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David. He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.” (Matt 22:42-46) [See also: Mark 12: 35-37, and Luke 20:41-44]

He has clearly established the fact that David is NOT the father of God, because he is NOT the father of the second person of the blessed trinity. He has clearly shown this distinction of natures to be a mystery.

Another indication of the distinct natures of Jesus.

John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

God didn’t give the “Spirit” to the second person of the Trinity He would have already been “one” with it.

The second person of the Trinity has neither beginning nor end. Jesus Christ the man died on that cross. The second person of the Trinity did not die nor can it die or be put to death.

David was NOT the father of the second person of the Trinity and neither was Mary.

1,099 posted on 08/30/2013 6:52:51 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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