MegaChurch or Catholic Church?

taylormarshall.com ^ | August 26, 2013 | Dr. Taylor Marshall

[RitaOK]

Mary, and her role in salvation history, is hardly hindered by a very intelligent man’s narrow understanding of these things of which he does not yet know.

Be happy the devoutly Jewish girl said “yes” to Gabriel, sent by God. Otherwise, your argument might hold water, and we Gentiles would still be singing from the compost pile, rather than the fig tree’s branch. :)

The abomination is the manifest ignorance of our age. It’s enough to think some have been blinded and rendered deaf, over the course of the centuries. Much has been lost, redefined, minimized, personally interpretated, forgotten, mocked.

[fwdude]

You're splitting hairs, steve. Who cares what terminology is used to describe how Catholics ask Mary to do only what God has the power to do? Such attribution of near omnipotent power is idolatry.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Absolute abominable idolatry."

Not close and no cheddar goldfish for you. It was blessed graceful ...hyperdulia!

Please become familiar with these definitions. They will be on the quiz.

• dulia (link)

• hyperdulia (link)

• latria (link)

It's necessarily to make these important distinctions.

[fwdude]

Be happy the devoutly Jewish girl said “yes” to Gabriel, sent by God.

God's purposes were not beholden to the will of a young Jewish girl.

By the way, Mary didn't say "yes" to God's "request" because there was no request. This is a heretical fallacy. God said "you will" before Mary could offer her consent.

Christ "took upon himself the form of a servant," it was not "given to Him" by anyone.

[bkaycee]

20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God, has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. 27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Bingo, Wedding annulment payments and financial indulgences."

Hmm. We don't have that in my Diocese. Are they in the Catechism?

[fwdude]

Those definitions, or the ideas they imply, are no where hinted at in God’s word. Add all you want to it - the penalty for doing so is laid down.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Vishnu is a god in Hinduism. This is not the One God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) Who is the exclusive object of worship for Catholics.

Do you need more information on that?

[Elsiejay]

How many of those millions partook of the “Sacrament” of Holy Communion lacking any scrap of meaningful understanding of its purpose, substance and effect?

Read First Corinthians 11:29.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"In real life," 70% of them arrive Catholic. How many of the ones that a person has met, who are Catholic, may differ regionally or neighborhood by neighborhood.

Your Mexicans May Vary.

[hinckley buzzard]

Funny thing--every time you post some cynical anti-Catholic comment, all I hear is tinkling cymbals and sounding brass.

[ansel12]

Pretty much what I said, but on your numbers you confused the percentage of foreign born Hispanics currently being Catholic in the United States, with what percentage they were on the day they left Mexico, when about 94% of them had been baptized Catholic.

[paladinan]

fwdude wrote, in reply to Mrs. Don-o:

Those definitions, or the ideas they imply, are no where hinted at in God’s word. Add all you want to it - the penalty for doing so is laid down.

Er... friend, nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Bible is to be the only source of salvific truth. Your embrace of "sola scriptura" (an invention of men) leaves you with two problems: you're left believing something which is self-contradictory (which is illogical and foolish, to say the least), and it means that you (in the tradition of Luther, et al.) are adding to God's Written Word... and, according to your interpretation, the penalty for doing so is laid down, yes?

[bkaycee]

Certainly, indulgences must be.

[RitaOK]

Oh, come on. “ BE IT DONE UNTO ME....” is hardly the act of a puppet’s meme, nor a refusal, but a soul magnified with assent and loving obedience.

Unless you are into the mental gymnastics of the vanity of predestination, of course.

I admire your savy posts, but you are making me think you are afraid of the early Church, or entrenched in only protestant resources, or a wounded Catholic. Your faith can stand the challenge to your initial fear and resistance. Mine did. :)

[paladinan]

Perhaps you might explain what you mean by “FINANCIAL indulgences”?

[bkaycee]

TETZEL

Paying for Masses said for the dead.

[bkaycee]

What are the “other” sources of salvific truth?

[fwdude]

Even if I were advocating “sola scriptura” that would not excuse the blatant violation of scripture.

[ansel12]

I have yet to meet a single first generation immigrant from Mexico is Catholic.

As post 52 pointed out, that is "an unusual experience",to go farther, it is extraordinary, fantastically hard to believe, assuming one meets a few first generation Mexican immigrants at all.